Sterling ball or Pewter Ball

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

I wouldn't buy your air anyway... you might have checked its quality on another forum... :D *shrugs shoulders*

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Here's another one that's about as bright as a 2watt light bulb....I feel so lucky to be around such outstanding people

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Here's another one that's about as bright as a 2watt light bulb....I feel so lucky to be around such outstanding people

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Ok dude lay off. We only call em as we see em. I see a pewter being sold as a stirling to people who don't know what a stirling looks like. That's what I see. Granted I have not seen the snake in person, but from the pictures you posted I see pewter. Like this one:http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/20/ta6e9u6a.jpg
So if you think that everything is fine, take the high road and now out quietly. By attacking people now, you are just coming off worse.

Don't worry interloc, he's obviously super classy. So he won't come back with some lame name calling comeback.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Here's another one that's about as bright as a 2watt light bulb....I feel so lucky to be around such outstanding people

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Your words don't hurt me. That's about all I've got to say about that.... I'm glad everything is cleared up, but my impression of you stands because of how you reacted.

Supertiger, feel free to remove yourself from this forum and people you so openly loath. I promise you will not be missed. You were dishonest in the deal, and I'm not talking about selling it as a sterling. I'm talking about not being upfront with your initial doubts when selling. Believe what you like about the lot of us, that is your prerogative. That doesn't make your business ethics right. Sell first, and *if* the buyer finds out that you had doubts, then try and make it right by riding on coattails of other breeder's words. Damn poor business model, and one that will not be missed.

Ilovevenom, I must salute your ability to glaze over the fact you screwed someone else in this yb trade. You did a great job completely avoiding all remarks posted towards you.

All in all, you two make a wonderful pair. Kudos.

Lesson to learn: always be upfront with your customers.

Mods, is it about time for a lock? Just wondering as the issue has been resolved and it is now just a case of bickering and name calling. Not that I don't enjoy a good bickering...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

Your words don't hurt me. That's about all I've got to say about that.... I'm glad everything is cleared up, but my impression of you stands because of how you reacted.

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I don't care....I tried to be nice and present everything I have to prove that the snake is a sterling.....but everywhere I turned I was being called a liar, shady, dishonest......Now you, figuratively speaking, may not have the balls to stand up for yourself.......but I will fight tooth and nail to prove that I didn't do ANYTHING wrong.......oh and interloc, the sterling I sent Mr.Huffman........looks exactly like the one pictured here in this ad
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...light=Sterling

i think you guys are just haters, it seems like people feed of off negativity and just talk so much crap. Me and supertiger retics should start our own company, we will call it stop-hatin reptiles, and we will serve hater-aid to all the haters out there lol

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Supertiger, feel free to remove yourself from this forum and people you so openly loath. I promise you will not be missed. You were dishonest in the deal, and I'm not talking about selling it as a sterling. I'm talking about not being upfront with your initial doubts when selling. Believe what you like about the lot of us, that is your prerogative. That doesn't make your business ethics right. Sell first, and *if* the buyer finds out that you had doubts, then try and make it right by riding on coattails of other breeder's words. Damn poor business model, and one that will not be missed.

Ilovevenom, I must salute your ability to glaze over the fact you screwed someone else in this yb trade. You did a great job completely avoiding all remarks posted towards you.

All in all, you two make a wonderful pair. Kudos.

Lesson to learn: always be upfront with your customers.

Mods, is it about time for a lock? Just wondering as the issue has been resolved and it is now just a case of bickering and name calling. Not that I don't enjoy a good bickering...:rolleyes:

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I don't care about any doubts....what don't you understand, once I got confirmation from the people who got this snake from Adam that it was in fact a sterling, I didn't have any more doubts. I had heard from the horse's mouth what it was.......a sterling......no doubt about that....so there was no need to say anything about some stupid unsubstantial doubt, as I had the final answer.....Once again from the horse's mouth

I feel like I lost a few IQ points reading the end of this thread.
This is basically how it came off "the guy I just hated and I are going to run off into the sunset together, and you are all poop heads"

Well that's not the way I wanted to end it.....I wanted to clear my name, and after doing so, people still antagonized me, and tried to say I was shady and dishonest.....They keep trying to bring up old doubts I had but can't realize that once I spoke with the breeder who got the sterling from Adam Chesla, as a sterling, I had no more doubts.....Why would this man who has such a good reputation lie to me about the snake.......He wouldn't......He bought it from Adam Chesla as a sterling, I received it from his partner as a sterling, I traded it as a sterling.....Why....because the snake is a sterling.....There was no dishonesty or shady dealing on my part....I told Dave he was getting a sterling, and that's what he got....He also now has concrete proof that its a sterling.....I can certainly understand Dave not taking my words for it....I mean come on, this is our first interaction with each other, and he doesn't know me from a can of paint. But now that he has proof from someone he knows and trusts, that makes me happy

I still say that snakes a pewter. Looks nothing like the sterlings on WOBP. You could have anyone you want tell me that snakes a sterling, i still say its a pewter.

I am not sure who owns the sterling/pewter thats in this thread. But I just seen it on the local craigslist forsale/trade ( list today) link and i copy of the post (screen print if I remember how to save it ).

the picture is the same as from this post ( I compared them with my wife said I was looking at the same snake on 2 web pages) I just Figure I bring this up for those that may need to know. It being offered up for trade/sale as sterling still.

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Originally Posted by Rob

I feel like I lost a few IQ points reading the end of this thread.
This is basically how it came off "the guy I just hated and I are going to run off into the sunset together, and you are all poop heads"

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lol this is what I thought too! 'We hate each other.... Instantly now we're besties!' What the-? Sorry, something still seems really odd. But whatever. If they're happy, may the force be with them.

Wow, just wow.

I agree they are likely the same snake. So now someone else gets duped in this? I hope the rehoming fee is cheap.

So much for "What should I breed it to...".

Craigslist ad snake (before the ad gets pulled)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps74235a11.jpg


Snake from page 1 of this thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps620497d6.jpg

Flippan people make me mad. It's a pewter! Pewter I say!

Also, let us say for the sake of argument this were a Sterling (something I would only believe if I knew both parents were proven Super Pastels).

It is possibly the worst example of the morph possible, and IMO by no means fit for a breeding program.

It looks like a decent Pewter, but I have seen known regular Pewters that look much closer to a Sterling than this snake does.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I don't care about any doubts....what don't you understand, once I got confirmation from the people who got this snake from Adam that it was in fact a sterling, I didn't have any more doubts. I had heard from the horse's mouth what it was.......a sterling......no doubt about that....so there was no need to say anything about some stupid unsubstantial doubt, as I had the final answer.....Once again from the horse's mouth

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I understand quite well. You HAD doubts which is what I have consistently stated. THEN you contacted the breeder and got a guarantee. Sweet. But you failed to mentin any of this to the buyer. That is where you were dishonest in my book.

If I got in an accident tomorrow, and my car got messed up, and I had it repaired...say I thought the repairs were a bit off, so I decide to get a guarantee from my well known mechanic. Then I decide to sell the car. Would any decent, honest person, not tell the next buyer about the accident AND the resolution/guarantee?

I'm glad you two are all good with each other, besties for life etc. Enjoy your circle jerk with each others scam handles.

(Bit much, as I don't consider supertiger a scammer as much as a dishonest cretin I would never sell or buy from...but that other kid is the worlds most pathetic flipper/scammer. But, alas...it was funny)

WOW. I think we should name this 'Sterling' the traveling Gnome. Poor snake, first of all... Second of all, NOW who's the shady dealer???? You people astound me! Just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Wow, just wow.

I agree they are likely the same snake. So now someone else gets duped in this? I hope the rehoming fee is cheap.

So much for "What should I breed it to...".

Craigslist ad snake (before the ad gets pulled)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps74235a11.jpg


Snake from page 1 of this thread.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps620497d6.jpg

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....oh my god.
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...d-facepalm.jpg

he is a sterling, and hes mine, and yes i am putting him up as a sterling, My buisness, my snake. I can do whatever i want to with it.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

....oh my god.
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...d-facepalm.jpg

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Ha, so much for closing this thread/issue resolved. SMH. Utterly ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

he is a sterling, and hes mine, and yes i am putting him up fpr sale as a sterling, and yes i have put him on craigsist for sale or trade. $ 1,000 or best offer or trade. My buisness, my snake. I can do whatever i want to with it.

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Well you have officially and successfully dubbed yourself a blacklisted breeder. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

he is a sterling, and hes mine, and yes i am putting him up fpr sale as a sterling, and yes i have put him on craigsist for sale or trade. $ 1,000 or best offer or trade. My buisness, my snake. I can do whatever i want to with it.

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You are disgusting flipper trash, a cancer on this hobby. Get. Out.

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

Well you have officially and successfully dubbed yourself a blacklisted FLIPPER. Congratulations.

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Fixed. ;)

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Fixed. ;)

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Forgive my newbie-ness :) yes you are right!

I just spoke to Adam Chesla, and he's trying to post here....I think he's registering as a member.....Hopefully hecan shed more light on this than I could.......Ooops, let me change that as I don't want people implying wrong meanings to my words....smh.....By "spoke" I mean he sent me an email :gj:

I trust Adams word that it's a sterling. It's you, failing to mention the past doubts and guarantees up front, and throwing a temper tantrum. Still a crappy business move.

Adam on the other hand, I would be happy to do business with any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

I trust Adams word that it's a sterling. It's you, failing to mention the past doubts and guarantees up front, and throwing a temper tantrum. Still a crappy business move.

Adam on the other hand, I would be happy to do business with any day of the week.

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Hello everyone, sorry for the delay in response but I was just informed of this situation recently and wanted to see what I could do to help out. The show that this trade would of happened at would of been a very long time ago when the ball python was much smaller (a hatchling) and they do change with age/size so we are trying to find pictures of it when it was smaller. The animal was not produced by me, it was produced by Mark Haas, who has been notified about the animal and is trying to locate pictures of it when it was smaller. It can be difficult to handle a situation like this, especially when this amount of time has passed and the animal has gone through several hands, so please try to be patient. I will try my best to make sure that this situation gets clarified and will see what the original breeder wants to do. If the main parties involved want to get in contact with me then they are more than welcome to. Thanks!!!
Adam Chesla
reptimalsss@yahoo.com
754-264-1591

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

I trust Adams word that it's a sterling. It's you, failing to mention the past doubts and guarantees up front, and throwing a temper tantrum. Still a crappy business move.

Adam on the other hand, I would be happy to do business with any day of the week.

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Smh.....I see people still don't know how to comprehend....my past doubts were premature and then laid to rest by getting confirmation that is was a sterling. So I moved forward with no doubts. And as for me throwing a tanturm, I did no such thing......I tried to provide my proof of the situation, but was still being disrepected and called a liar. So you're damn right I got angry......Anyone who in their heart truly believes they are right, yet libelous comments and lies about their character are still being made, would feel some type of way as well. I'll be every name in the book but I will not be a crook, a liar, or a cheat......There are a couple other name in there that I won't be, but they have no baring on this subject

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

I understand quite well. You HAD doubts which is what I have consistently stated. THEN you contacted the breeder and got a guarantee. Sweet. But you failed to mention any of this to the buyer. That is where you were dishonest in my book.

If I got in an accident tomorrow, and my car got messed up, and I had it repaired...say I thought the repairs were a bit off, so I decide to get a guarantee from my well known mechanic. Then I decide to sell the car. Would any decent, honest person, not tell the next buyer about the accident AND the resolution/guarantee?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Smh.....I see people still don't know how to comprehend....my past doubts were premature and then laid to rest by getting confirmation that is was a sterling. So I moved forward with no doubts. And as for me throwing a tanturm, I did no such thing......I tried to provide my proof of the situation, but was still being disrepected and called a liar. So you're damn right I got angry......Anyone who in their heart truly believes they are right, yet libelous comments and lies about their character are still being made, would feel some type of way as well. I'll be every name in the book but I will not be a crook, a liar, or a cheat......There are a couple other name in there that I won't be, but they have no baring on this subject

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Yet I'm the one with the reading comprehension issue? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by reptimals

Hello everyone, sorry for the delay in response but I was just informed of this situation recently and wanted to see what I could do to help out. The show that this trade would of happened at would of been a very long time ago when the ball python was much smaller (a hatchling) and they do change with age/size so we are trying to find pictures of it when it was smaller. The animal was not produced by me, it was produced by Mark Haas, who has been notified about the animal and is trying to locate pictures of it when it was smaller. It can be difficult to handle a situation like this, especially when this amount of time has passed and the animal has gone through several hands, so please try to be patient. I will try my best to make sure that this situation gets clarified and will see what the original breeder wants to do. If the main parties involved want to get in contact with me then they are more than welcome to. Thanks!!!
Adam Chesla
reptimalsss@yahoo.com
754-264-1591

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So adam was not the original breeder either...damn I feel bad for him having to deal with this cluster...

To reiterate ...

Just because your doubts were eased, does not mean you should have withheld the information "omitting the truth" to your buyer.

That. Is. Shady.

You should have told your customer EVERYTHING from the get go. INCLUDING that your doubts were erased because of guarantees from multiple good guys. Thus letting them form their own opinion on subject before committing.

Own up to your screw up, or keep on shoveling. Matters not to me :rolleyes:

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

Whether or not it is a Sterling has be become of little consequence in the end. It is how things have been handled by both parties.

What it seems is that there was information omitted in the deal that could have saved a lot of trouble, but more importantly is the the uncovering of the blatant flipping of the snakes.

There are procedures that reputable resellers follow that do not seem to be going on here. This poor animal is just getting passed on and on and on.

Also, both of you have burned a lot of bridges with the public in two ways:

1. How you handle conflict and/or dissatisfied customers
2. Your blatant poor choices for potential breeding stock. Quality in = quality out. IMO this snake should never have been considered for a breeding program. If it is a Sterling it is pet quality at best. Any time you have to question the genetics, the snake is not a great example and should not be used as breeding stock. People wonder why markets get flooded with poor examples, and this is exactly why. Even the nicest parents throw a off hatchling now and again, and IMO only the best from the clutches should be future breeders. But I digress...

Either way, not a chance I do business with either of you in the future. That may not matter to you, but I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Whether or not it is a Sterling has be become of little consequence in the end. It is how things have been handled by both parties.

What it seems is that there was information omitted in the deal that could have saved a lot of trouble, but more importantly is the the uncovering of the blatant flipping of the snakes.

There are procedures that reputable resellers follow that do not seem to be going on here. This poor animal is just getting passed on and on and on.

Also, both of you have burned a lot of bridges with the public in two ways:

1. How you handle conflict and/or dissatisfied customers
2. Your blatant poor choices for potential breeding stock. Quality in = quality out. IMO this snake should never have been considered for a breeding program. If it is a Sterling it is pet quality at best. Any time you have to question the genetics, the snake is not a great example and should not be used as breeding stock. People wonder why markets get flooded with poor examples, and this is exactly why. Even the nicest parents throw a off hatchling now and again, and IMO only the best from the clutches should be future breeders. But I digress...

Either way, not a chance I do business with either of you in the future. That may not matter to you, but I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.

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I've already stated the genes I wanted to work with this season, and clearly stated that the sterling never fitted any of my breeding programs

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

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This, is a good step in the right direction. I am sure you felt like you were thrown to the wwolves, and began lashing out as such. We all are very passionate about this community and the hobby. As such, we all tend to get hot under the collar when it seems like someone seems to be causing harm to it (dishonesty, scamming, etc). I will also apologize, to you, for my jabs.

In my opinion, you did not intentionally scam anyone, just made a bad business move that blew up to epic proportions. My general advice to you would be this:
Take a breather, and lay low for a little while on the selling market. Let this settle and fade into the background. For future dealings, I would generally suggest you try and avoid "flipping" animals. (Getting an animal and quickly selling it/trading it off) as that is usually frowned upon. If you feel you're in a position that you need to sell a new acquisition quickly, just be up front about it. Let the customer know it has only been with you so long, who you got it from, etc. Again, this is just my opinion, I'm just trying to help you step up from this mess and come out better for it.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

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Thank you for apologizing.


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I still see a pewter until Mark Haas comes here and posts. Unless both parents had super pastel genes I refuse to believe thats a sterling.

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

he is a sterling, and hes mine, and yes i am putting him up as a sterling, My buisness, my snake. I can do whatever i want to with it.

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If its a sterling, why are you so fast to flip it on cl?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/20/ragaze7a.jpg

Rob that picture makes me happy after reading ten pages of this. I hope it all gets straightened out poor snake gets passed around like a lady of the night in a biker bar:(

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Originally Posted by carlson

Rob that picture makes me happy after reading ten pages of this. I hope it all gets straightened out poor snake gets passed around like a lady of the night in a biker bar:(

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Lol true story, it inspired me to make pancakes this morning.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

Please leave the flipping to cows and burgers :mad:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Please leave the flipping to cows and burgers :mad:

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You tip cows, not flip them haha. If you do flip cows, i want a video! :p

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

You tip cows, not flip them haha. If you do flip cows, i want a video! :p

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Lol that would be pretty impressive

This has been very interesting thread to read, and I just have to ask because I feel kinda stupid for not understanding.. I don't want to question the breeder who's name is in this, just want to know HOW can they prove it really is Sterling? Unless the parents are Super Pastels? Because if it looks like Pewter how can it be guaranteed Sterling? I would understand if it was sold as possible Sterling, but it wasn't... I'd like to know the ways how to prove such thing. To me someone's word isn't enough, because in than case the snake should look like it and now it doesn't. Sorry! :(

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

This, is a good step in the right direction. I am sure you felt like you were thrown to the wwolves, and began lashing out as such. We all are very passionate about this community and the hobby. As such, we all tend to get hot under the collar when it seems like someone seems to be causing harm to it (dishonesty, scamming, etc). I will also apologize, to you, for my jabs.

In my opinion, you did not intentionally scam anyone, just made a bad business move that blew up to epic proportions. My general advice to you would be this:
Take a breather, and lay low for a little while on the selling market. Let this settle and fade into the background. For future dealings, I would generally suggest you try and avoid "flipping" animals. (Getting an animal and quickly selling it/trading it off) as that is usually frowned upon. If you feel you're in a position that you need to sell a new acquisition quickly, just be up front about it. Let the customer know it has only been with you so long, who you got it from, etc. Again, this is just my opinion, I'm just trying to help you step up from this mess and come out better for it.

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But that's just it, I've had that male for almost 4 months

This is crazy...imagine if the snake could comprehend what is going on?? I just hope this poor snake finally finds an owner that loves it, instead of being all upset about it colors and genetics. I know it's a lot of money, but it is a living creature and at this point I hope it can just settle in to a permanent home and be happy...


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Nevermind, I can't even keep up with the stupidity that happened in this thread...

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Another infraction for advertising please!

Not sure if trolling....or just incredibly stupid....but just in case...

You, have seriously got to be either the most thick headed person in the world....or between the ages of 12-15. (And i apologize to our younger members for that, but I don't know how else to put it.)

Go. Away.

You wont get $1000 for him. Pewter males are only going for like $300-$400 these days.