adopted a ball python new here a bit scared

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Originally Posted by luckycharm318

Please go get yourself a puppy, or a kitty, or a bunny, or some other fuzzy mammal that is capable of wanting attention from a human so that your loving nature is not wasted on a cold-blooded, uncaring, reptile.

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hope that was to wispurs and not me lol my bp is kick ass and i wouldnt trade him for anything.
i think shes real but that rizlop or whatever dude is definitely a troll. we dont need him gettin fat now..

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Originally Posted by Ryu

hope that was to wispurs and not me lol my bp is kick ass and i wouldnt trade him for anything.
i think shes real but that rizlop or whatever dude is definitely a troll. we dont need him gettin fat now..

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Oh of course, I was agreeing that she needs a fuzzy little animal capable of loving her back.

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Originally Posted by luckycharm318

Please go get yourself a puppy, or a kitty, or a bunny, or some other fuzzy mammal that is capable of wanting attention from a human so that your loving nature is not wasted on a cold-blooded, uncaring, reptile.

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How about you guys get over the fact that my snake loves me and your snakes dont love you.

I dont understand why you think there is no way i could be right, yet expect me to believe it is 100% incapable of wanting attention when im the one here with the snake watching its behavior. I think you have control issues.

somehow you think that it would be better for me to abandon my OBVIOUSLY very happy snake for a dog or cat just because YOU dont agree that he is enjoying himself. rather than being ecstatic that he is actually happy.

What kind of logic is that?

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Originally Posted by wispurs

How about you guys get over the fact that my snake loves me and your snakes dont love you.

I dont understand why you think there is no way i could be right, yet expect me to believe it is 100% incapable of wanting attention when im the one here with the snake watching its behavior. I think you have control issues.

somehow you think that it would be better for me to abandon my OBVIOUSLY very happy snake for a dog or cat just because YOU dont agree that he is enjoying himself. rather than being ecstatic that he is actually happy.

What kind of logic is that?

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The type of logic that is correct.

hey now i just completed tom's (my snake) tank about 2 weeks ago and he hasnt tried to escape from it a single time as opposed to every night before i finished it, so i know hes very content with his new environment. with that said, i wish my snake could like me as much as his new tank but if i were to give him and the tank to someone else, he would still be content with his tank and not miss me at all even though i'm the one who spent my hard earned money on him instead of myself. in other words your snake would act more or less the same no matter who is taking care of it

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Originally Posted by luckycharm318

The type of logic that is correct.

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(somehow you think that it would be better for me to abandon my OBVIOUSLY very happy snake for a dog or cat just because YOU dont agree that he is enjoying himself. Rather than being ecstatic that he is actually happy.

What kind of logic is that?)

"The type of logic that is correct."

ok, you are useless and a horrible person, i dont want your advice.

how about u 2 mind ur own business and not tell her what she can and can't have?

Hey, I was just trying to look out for her. Someday you two will come to the realization that your snake is, in fact incapable of loving you. Perhaps it will be the day one of you gets tagged. The dog/cat/bunny were merely suggestions, as those mammals are capable of affection, and typically enjoy attention.

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Originally Posted by luckycharm318

Hey, I was just trying to look out for her. Someday you two will come to the realization that your snake is, in fact incapable of loving you. Perhaps it will be the day one of you gets tagged. The dog/cat/bunny were merely suggestions, as those mammals are capable of affection, and typically enjoy attention.

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No, you werent, you were just trying to be right instead of being happy for me and helpful.

well if u payed any attention to the thread instead of barking random things at us u would of realized we already have all those animals :rolleyes:

I don't understand why you're still arguing. If you aren't going to take the advice you originally sought out then why are you still here, except to throw said advice back in the faces of people who actually care? We are all trying to keep your snake healthy. If you aren't going to take the advice, then just keep your mouth shut and be considerate to those who took the time to try to help you out. Common courtesy. Try it. It'll give you better results.

cbooks i dont understand why you are still replying to MY thread when you clearly have not offered anything useful and have only thrown random insults??? Maybe u should keep ur mouth shut and stay out of my thread since im the 1 who made it.


This thread is about us and our snake i think a lot of people here have been very helpful and i have learned A LOT so has wispurs it is our first snake it would be nice if you could stay out of our thread since all u seem to add is negativity!

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Originally Posted by cboocks

I don't understand why you're still arguing. If you aren't going to take the advice you originally sought out then why are you still here, except to throw said advice back in the faces of people who actually care? We are all trying to keep your snake healthy. If you aren't going to take the advice, then just keep your mouth shut and be considerate to those who took the time to try to help you out. Common courtesy. Try it. It'll give you better results.

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did you ever stop to think that the problem is that you guys are arguing with me?
and for what?... because you REFUSE to believe a snake that you dont know doesn't enjoy being held? how about you just accept the fact that you COULD be wrong instead of trying to force me to belive that he doesnt like it. what if he does and i stop holding him all because YOU didnt believe he did. does that seem right to you?

Snakes do not enjoy being held. End of story.

You are not a snake mind reader. Snakes don't give signals of happiness like dogs and wag their tails. You have no proof to say your snake is happy, only content.

You girls are clearly new to the Herp world. People have been studying these animals for DECADES. You need to take a step back, research a bit and then come back and make accusations.

[Snakes do not enjoy being held. End of story.]

MINE DOES!!!!! End of story.

So, you can read snake minds?

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

So, you can read snake minds?

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No, but apparently you think you can.

its not about reading snake minds if u guys were here and met our snake BB u would probably understand what she is trying to express

like today he was hiding his head he really seems depressed :(

No, I KNOW I don't read snake minds. But I can make an educated guess why they react the way they do. How can I do this? I've been on this forum reading for almost a year, I've read two ball python books (Written by the best people in the business), and I talk to a bunch of snake owners who have been in the hobby for years.

They hide their head because they are afraid you are a big monster that is going to eat them. This will most likely go away in time, but right now he's a shy ball python that's still getting used to his environment.

Can you post a video of his loving behavior?

Look, just don't sleep with it because you might accidentally hurt it and let's be done here. No one's going to change their mind in this argument.

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Originally Posted by Ryu

hey now i just completed tom's (my snake) tank about 2 weeks ago and he hasnt tried to escape from it a single time as opposed to every night before i finished it, so i know hes very content with his new environment. with that said, i wish my snake could like me as much as his new tank but if i were to give him and the tank to someone else, he would still be content with his tank and not miss me at all even though i'm the one who spent my hard earned money on him instead of myself. in other words your snake would act more or less the same no matter who is taking care of it

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this is my own post from earlier. i dont think anyone read it so here it is again. i think this is the nicest way to try to end this retarded argument. if this is hard for u to understand, im sure you'll throw it back at me, and in that case i dont waste my time with unintelligent ppl so u wont be hearing from me again. just know that all these ppl want only the best for bb and thats about as 'humane' as it gets

It only takes a few minutes of reading the realize that most of the members here know exactly what they're talking about. They have large amounts of personal experience.

I find it a little asinine to come on here, asking for information/advice, and then say the advice you got is wrong. You may not like it, however that does not mean it is incorrect.

People will argue the semantics of what is right, wrong, humane or not until the end of time and still not come to an agreement. That is human nature.

The advice or suggestions that people give are based on either what has or has not worked for them personally or the experiences of others. There is no set rule book for keeping reptiles. If there was, there would be no reason to ask questions. Personally, I like reading a variety of opinions, views, and suggestions because it gives me a broader range of thought in which to form my own. It is up to the individual keeper to choose whether to heed or ignore any advice or suggestions given, because ultimately, we are responsible for the decisions that decide the success or failure of our animals...

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Originally Posted by exotica0095

cbooks i dont understand why you are still replying to MY thread when you clearly have not offered anything useful and have only thrown random insults??? Maybe u should keep ur mouth shut and stay out of my thread since im the 1 who made it.


This thread is about us and our snake i think a lot of people here have been very helpful and i have learned A LOT so has wispurs it is our first snake it would be nice if you could stay out of our thread since all u seem to add is negativity!

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man the last time i talked like this on a post i got the little yellow letters over there under my name

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Originally Posted by moravaguy

man the last time i talked like this on a post i got the little yellow letters over there under my name

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haha damn u should get that appealed then cause it makes u look like u cant get it up at first glance lol

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Originally Posted by Ryu

haha damn u should get that appealed then cause it makes u look like u cant get it up at first glance lol

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lol well if people are gonna let yellow letters let good advice go unused well then fine, but i did kinda talk that way to a admin. :rofl:

some snakes eat their prey alive, exoticas is a beautiful person for not letting it happen. cheers

:weirdface Has anyone found a set of "car keys"? :weirdface

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Originally Posted by rizl0p

some snakes eat their prey alive, exoticas is a beautiful person for not letting it happen. cheers

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What about the people who have picky eaters? The BPs that won't take frozen or pre killed. They will only take live, no matter what. Do you expect us to let our snakes die because they're doing what comes natural to them?

I know I'm just feeding trolls, sorry everyone. It's just so amusing!

The only thing I have left to feed these trolls is this..

It is not YOUR thread. Stop acting like you OWN it and can DECIDE who posts in it. It is on a public internet forum. Anyone can post in it as much as they'd like.

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Originally Posted by wispurs

(somehow you think that it would be better for me to abandon my OBVIOUSLY very happy snake for a dog or cat just because YOU dont agree that he is enjoying himself. Rather than being ecstatic that he is actually happy.

What kind of logic is that?)

"The type of logic that is correct."

ok, you are useless and a horrible person, i dont want your advice.

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You don't need to abandon "BB," I'm sure you could find someone on this site close to you that would offer to take him in if you are not feeling confident.

I think you two are feeling quite confident though. However I also think that your new found confidence in owning your snake will be short lived.

Continued and excessive handling that you believe your snake enjoys, may very well stress out your snake and cause him not to eat for you anymore.

When that happens, you will either not ask for advice thinking you can handle it on your own, which after long enough may be detrimental to your snake. Or you will come back for advice, and I'm sure some people here will attempt to give you some advice again, but others may remember this thread and how well trying to give you advice went in the past. If you do not agree with someone else's opinion, you might try being a bit more polite about it. Though you really should listen to the good advice that you are given, as many of the people on this site have much more experience than you do.

Just because this is the internet, does not mean that you get to be snotty to someone just because you cannot see them, and they cannot see you. Insulting other users and the entire forum at that, will not get you far either, and people already are not taking you seriously because of your lack of nettiquete. Asking for advice, then tossing it out and calling it incorrect and insulting the person who gave you the advice you asked for, then asking another question will not earn you any respect, and it may keep people from even attempting to advise you when you ask for help in the future. Please keep this in mind while you are typing out further posts. If you feel like you cannot respond in a civil and respectful manner, log out, cool down, and come back when you have better gathered your thoughts and can respond in a non-inflammatory manner.

Ball pythons also don't get depressed--only stressed.

A ball python that has just eaten wants to be left alone in a nice warm place so that it can properly digest its meal. Handling and stress interfere with digestion.

Hiding its head is a defensive gesture. That's what ball pythons do--it's why they are called ball pythons. They ball up and hide their head when they feel threatened.

Learn to respect your ball python's moods and needs. Even if it is USUALLY ok with handling, it's better for the snake if you leave it alone for a day after it eats, and DEFINITELY leave it alone when it's opaque (getting ready to shed)--handling during that time can damage the new skin forming underneath the old one, and you don't want to harm your snake, do you? Shedding ball pythons look miserable, by the way--they hide out over the heat continuously, and rarely move, and they can be irritable and snap because they can't see.

If the snake hisses at you, snaps at you, flees, or balls up and hides its head--let it be. Sometimes my snakes are ok with handling, and sometimes they really want to be left alone, and that's the best way they have of letting us know they're not in the mood.

Also, always be aware of the fact that your snake has poor vision. It recognizes you more by scent than by sight. If you come up on it quickly, you may startle it, and be bitten, because it didn't recognize you immediately.

Obviously no one is going to convince you that the snake doesn't love you, but perhaps one day you will finish your education, take some science classes, etc, and realize that those parts of the brain aren't there in a snake. It's not mysterious at all. Incapable is just that--the hardware necessary for love isn't there. It's like insisting that a bird with no feathers can fly.

This is one long thread about nothing now...

Obiously these Girls, asuming they are real people... are clearly not gonna take your advise. Stop bringing this thread back up.

It was funny to a point, but It's just sad now...

Is it bad that I laughed all the way through this?

The live feeding and karma thing made me laugh the most.

Edit: Why is it that I want to think that these two are animal rights people?

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Is it bad that I laughed all the way through this?

The live feeding and karma thing made me laugh the most.

Edit: Why is it that I want to think that these two are animal rights people?

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It's possible they're PETA activists.
Or better yet, HSUS. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

The only thing I have left to feed these trolls is this..

It is not YOUR thread. Stop acting like you OWN it and can DECIDE who posts in it. It is on a public internet forum. Anyone can post in it as much as they'd like.

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god, would you stop trying to pick a fight with me?

umm i created this thread about ME and MY snake and MY issues so yes it is my thread

i am getting a lot of ridiculous and worthless comments on it

who cares if we are animal lovers fact is we got a snake together and are trying to learn about it

if you payed attention to my posts u would realize that i did take MOST of the advice people on here gave me so dont go flaming me saying im throwing it right back at anyone because ive followed almost EXACTLY what i was told :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by exotica0095

umm i created this thread about ME and MY snake and MY issues so yes it is my thread

i am getting a lot of ridiculous and worthless comments on it

who cares if we are animal lovers fact is we got a snake together and are trying to learn about it

if you payed attention to my posts u would realize that i did take MOST of the advice people on here gave me so dont go flaming me saying im throwing it right back at anyone because ive followed almost EXACTLY what i was told :rolleyes:

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And this will get you no where.

Jess is correct, this is a _public_ forum, you have no ownership rights to anything here except photos that you have taken and submitted. While you _created_ this thread about your snake, and you can _request_ that certain people do not post, there is nothing you can really do.

Also, worthless and ridiculous posts, have you read some of yours? :confuzd: They are pretty insulting and will not warrant much further help if you continue posting in such a manner.

People would pay more attention to posts with proper spelling, grammar, and posts that are not inflammatory, demeaning, or rude.

Almost doing what you were advised to do is also not the same as doing exactly what you were advised to do.

I wish you and your new snake well.