Terry Cullen raided

Well the description of the story is weird...she is 24 ...her mom is taking her places. She goes to do an internship....her first day...her mom drops her off...and then she is gone all night?? No cell phone...if that were my kid I would be calling everyone involved to find out where she is. And 24 is a little old to have your Mom carting you around. I know..maybe she did not have a car....but even at 24 my Mom would of kicked my bootey had I not come home and didn't call.

Not saying at all that it did not happen and yes I agree....victims typically wait. But it sounds like a lot of weirdness in the story. ?? Im sure it will all come out in court and then we will see from there. What ever the true story is it is a sad day for all parties involved. If he is guilty...sad for the girl. If he is innocent unfortunately his life will never be the same.

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Originally Posted by akaangela

I am going to keep this short so I don't rant.

Many rape victims don't report the assault. It is not like a mugging or even being carjacked. There are a LOT of people that say "It was your fault" or "you deserved it" or other malicious things to the victim of rape that they would never say to a person mugged.

What surprises me is that she had the courage to come forward at all, not that it took her so long to.

I think we should wait to pass judgment on the rape and assult charges till we know more.

Did he do it? I don't know. It is obvious he was up to shady things, so what would be one more to him?

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id have to agree with your full statement apart from the last line.
the one thing is why was he let go for the time being if he has charges for sexual assault and false imprisonment? thats just asking for a guilty person to do a runner

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Well the description of the story is weird...she is 24 ...her mom is taking her places. She goes to do an internship....her first day...her mom drops her off...and then she is gone all night?? No cell phone...if that were my kid I would be calling everyone involved to find out where she is. And 24 is a little old to have your Mom carting you around. I know..maybe she did not have a car....but even at 24 my Mom would of kicked my bootey had I not come home and didn't call.

Not saying at all that it did not happen and yes I agree....victims typically wait. But it sounds like a lot of weirdness in the story. ?? Im sure it will all come out in court and then we will see from there. What ever the true story is it is a sad day for all parties involved. If he is guilty...sad for the girl. If he is innocent unfortunately his life will never be the same.

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THANK YOU! Well which ever way this goes i am sure those PETA idiots will say all reptile people are this way :mad:.

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Originally Posted by punkoldschool

id have to agree with your full statement apart from the last line.
the one thing is why was he let go for the time being if he has charges for sexual assault and false imprisonment? thats just asking for a guilty person to do a runner

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Well innocent people will not run ;).I would like to know what evidence they have?

Well here is a copy of the police report. I think its even MORE of a made up story now! http://media.journalinteractive.com/...nts/Cullen.pdf

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well here is a copy of the police report. I think its even MORE of a made up story now! http://media.journalinteractive.com/...nts/Cullen.pdf

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id say very interesting. i dont know what to think of it.

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well here is a copy of the police report. I think its even MORE of a made up story now! http://media.journalinteractive.com/...nts/Cullen.pdf

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I read through the full police report, and it sounds very straight forward to me. I would not be surprised if he is convicted on all charges. IMO, he will get what he deserves.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I read through the full police report, and it sounds very straight forward to me. I would not be surprised if he is convicted on all charges. IMO, he will get what he deserves.

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Cmon she goes to a 4 hour interview(never had one last that long nor over dinner).Then she goes overnight for the first day of work(same as above comment).Then text boyfriend BUT does not say a word.Once dropped off sees mom and boyfriend starts crying BUT not one word why she is crying.Then tells boyfriend and he does NOTHING :O.Sorry i would have been at that persons house without the police and handed down MY punishment if that were my girlfriend :mad:.Then i would have called the police.I am not being harsh on the lady but cmon i smell tuna here :weirdface

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Cmon she goes to a 4 hour interview(never had one last that long nor over dinner).Then she goes overnight for the first day of work(same as above comment).Then text boyfriend BUT does not say a word.Once dropped off sees mom and boyfriend starts crying BUT not one word why she is crying.Then tells boyfriend and he does NOTHING :O.Sorry i would have been at that persons house without the police and handed down MY punishment if that were my girlfriend :mad:.Then i would have called the police.I am not being harsh on the lady but cmon i smell tuna here :weirdface

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I see where you are coming from, but she had just been sexually assulted, and was scared. I'm sure she was very mixed up, and wasn't really sure where to turn. From my understanding, this happens to many females that have been sexually assulted. Many do not report being assulted, or have to be talked into going to the police. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens in court.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Cmon she goes to a 4 hour interview(never had one last that long nor over dinner).Then she goes overnight for the first day of work(same as above comment).Then text boyfriend BUT does not say a word.Once dropped off sees mom and boyfriend starts crying BUT not one word why she is crying.Then tells boyfriend and he does NOTHING :O.Sorry i would have been at that persons house without the police and handed down MY punishment if that were my girlfriend :mad:.Then i would have called the police.I am not being harsh on the lady but cmon i smell tuna here :weirdface

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As I said before, many victims of sex crimes DO NOT report the crime AT ALL. So the reason why YOU think this story is fishy is because the girl didn't immediately report the crime. What if he threatened her if she said anything? What if she was so emotionally traumatized that she didn't want to share this information with anyone? What if she was so embarrassed that she fell for such a scam? These are all things that I would personally feel if such a thing had happened to me.

That is quite a thorough police report. I still don't know what happened though or how much of it is true. That is ultimately up to the court to decide.

Before all this drama I met Terry, he seemed like a very nice and knowledgeable person. But people aren't always as nice as they seem on the outside. Just because your opinion of him is one thing, doesn't mean he isn't completely capable of another identity.

At first this story seemed a bit fishy. It doesn't seem fishy at all now. If it were a bunch of BS there wouldn't have been this lengthy police report and all these charges filed against him.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

As I said before, many victims of sex crimes DO NOT report the crime AT ALL. So the reason why YOU think this story is fishy is because the girl didn't immediately report the crime. What if he threatened her if she said anything? What if she was so emotionally traumatized that she didn't want to share this information with anyone? What if she was so embarrassed that she fell for such a scam? These are all things that I would personally feel if such a thing had happened to me.

That is quite a thorough police report. I still don't know what happened though or how much of it is true. That is ultimately up to the court to decide.

Before all this drama I met Terry, he seemed like a very nice and knowledgeable person. But people aren't always as nice as they seem on the outside. Just because your opinion of him is one thing, doesn't mean he isn't completely capable of another identity.

At first this story seemed a bit fishy. It doesn't seem fishy at all now. If it were a bunch of BS there wouldn't have been this lengthy police report and all these charges filed against him.

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Unfortunately I have to agree there are a lot of very pointed details. I certainly hope that this isn't true as this industry doesn't need ANOTHER public mess. And I certainly feel for the parties involved as their lives will truly never be the same. It is a very sad situation either way it goes.

The police report seems pretty straight forward. She was afraid of what he might do to her and ashamed/embarrassed by what happened. That plus the fact she was quite young - only 24 - makes me believe this all happened just as she said it did, when she said it did.

well I hate to say this but just like in the wild....a predator will look for the weakest to attack. Typically not always...but typically ....women that have suffered that type of thing as a child will be vunerable to it again as an adult. Also predators can make you feel like it was your fault....hence the waiting time.

But like I said...I hope it is not true for all parties involved.

The one big thing that sticks out is how the heck was she going to get to work daily? One more thing you would think someone would wonder why she needed to stay overnight.We will see how the courts and the jury view everything.No matter how this goes it will hurt us all in the publics eyes.I feel sorry for the reptiles also :(

The thing that sticks out, for me, is that we don't know squat about the girl.

If he did it, put him away. But before we do that let's see if any of her claims pan out. Has she done this before? Is she looking to even a score for herself or someone else? Did he perhaps make promises he didn't keep and so she has done this?

I don't know and neither do any of you.

How many times have we seen police reports filed that were later dropped? Too many to just assume a report is equal to guilt.

She confided in him to tell him that she was sexually assaulted by her father at the interview. You'd think she'd have someone else to confide in to tell that she was just sexually assaulted again. I'm just sayin'.

Other than that, I hope he gets what he deserves. Report was thorough and I really don't doubt any of it, but someone did know...very shortly after it happened.

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Originally Posted by jfreels

She confided in him to tell him that she was sexually assaulted by her father at the interview. You'd think she'd have someone else to confide in to tell that she was just sexually assaulted again. I'm just sayin'.

Other than that, I hope he gets what he deserves. Report was thorough and I really don't doubt any of it, but someone did know...very shortly after it happened.

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In all my years of working i have NEVER heard of someone sharing they were molested as a kid in any interview :weirdface

Agreed. That was kind of my point, if she opened up to a stranger (even if she considered him a roll model), why couldn't she tell anyone for months?

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Originally Posted by jfreels

She confided in him to tell him that she was sexually assaulted by her father at the interview. You'd think she'd have someone else to confide in to tell that she was just sexually assaulted again. I'm just sayin'.

Other than that, I hope he gets what he deserves. Report was thorough and I really don't doubt any of it, but someone did know...very shortly after it happened.

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I does state that before she confided in him, he confided that he himself was abused by his stepfather and encouraged her to share her past.
While I agree thats not something Id share with a stranger and someone telling me that on an initial interview would weird me out... I can see where she is valid in sharing her drama if he opened the window first.

From a woman's point of view, I can understand wanting to be able to confide in someone. I also understand the fear part. BUT what I don't understand is why in the world she would open up to someone at an interview. A 4 hour interview. Hours away! For a job? Really none of this makes sense. From a psychological point of view, people who were sexually abused at a young age are also the ones more likely to develop issues other than being vulnerable. They are more likely to become sexual predators them selves. Develop unusual sexual fetishes or fantasies. Be more sexually active and be more attracted to much older or much younger people. Hmmm...

Also, a woman is much more likely to go hours out of her way for someone she is interested in.

Think about it. All of it. Its still 50/50 here. I still can't make a judgment on this one because none of it falls into a textbook version of sexual predation. Especially when you look very closely at both sides and all the details which would have made anyone else say WTH??

And Monica you have a great point too. Just like Wilomn stated....could just go any way. It is just so disturbing on so many levels.

I could see this as she went and had sex with the guy, then once she's back home with the BOYFRIEND, suddenly it's all "Oh he forced me by.. intimidation.. and I didn't want to, but I did.."
I could also see where he could have done exactly what she says he did. She wiated a long time to report it, but then some victims wait a long time to report sexual crimes. Could this be a disgruntled woman, angry and regretting something she did of her own free will? Or could it be a pushy aggressive guy who saw a woman he could coarce into sex?
I don't know either of the people involved. No one knows the truth, or where in the middle of all this the truth lies. Were the animals in really bad conditions? Were the animals in proper conditions and it's misreported because the people don't understand proper husbandry? Insuffient ventilation? What? He didn't have a commercial vent fan to raise rats.. or the rats were all kept in ziploc containers? The rats didn't have space to move? How exactly do you pack live rats into a holding bin so tight that they can't move, but they aren't all dead within minutes from overheating and suffacation?

Why is there so many spelling, grammer and other errors in the report? I don't mean the occasional typo, but there's a lot of errors, including one tense error that changes the meaning of the sentance to say he didn't do wrong, when it's obvious it's suposed to say he did do wrong.

If he did wrong, then I hope he's convicted and punished. If he did not do wrong, then I hope he's cleared of all charges. Since I wasn't there, and didn't see, I don't know.

Ok now this p me off. http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/95564899.html

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ok now this p me off. http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/95564899.html

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Wow, those pics are pretty bad. Even if he was gone for a month there's no way things could have gotten THAT bad.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy78

Wow, those pics are pretty bad. Even if he was gone for a month there's no way things could have gotten THAT bad.

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I agree! I understand when you have a large collection your place will have messes from time to time BUT having dead animal bones in the enclosures :mad:.

Hmmm? Makes me wonder what else he has been doing! Maybe my fascination with a couple Rob Zombie movies is getting my mind wandering a bit!? I wouldn't be suprised if a few more victims step up,or maybe even found!

I'm sure the crocs have already digested them :O :P

Who knows if those pictures are even real.

I'd discount the dead rodents, because a lot of places can have dead rodent carcasses.

The dead croc.. I'd disallow ONLY if he was de-fleshing it to use as a skeleton, which frankly is a stretch looking at the picture, it doesn't look as if it's set up for de-fleshing, it just looks like a dead croc that was left to rot.

The dead snake is a dead snake in a filthy enclosure. Sorry, no way to stretch that to be understandable.

The more proof that comes out, the less defensible the position looks. Hopefully the situation gets resolved and the full truth comes out. I'd expect to see a lot more pics of the situation, since it was described as dire for all the animals. There should have been pictures of everything on the site.

That's dissapointing.. I really wanted to give Terry the benefit of the doubt, just because he seemed so dedicated, but those pictures are rage inspiring. Like the poster before me, it's not the pictures of the rodents, but that snake and gator.

Part of me wants to be able to say those photos could be a big misunderstanding, but how do you explain that away? Especially with the way the media is going on about things. I don't know... I'm just in awe that someone who's so outspoken about protecting and preserving reptile species would allow those animals to live and die in those conditions.

As far as the sexual allegations go, who knows. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I'll be interested in seeing how things turn out.

this thread has went from

one of our own being setup, travesty

probably peta involved somewhere

maybe she's lying and dangerously close to maybe she asked for it

to i hope he gets what he deserves.

people are back peddling at quite the speed it seems

im sure in a few days it will reach the lets lynch him point

It is digusting seeing those pictures. One thing I don't get is why they're so small though. You can't really see much in them.
I hate how this story is taking so long to get to the bottom of though.

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Originally Posted by loxocemus

this thread has went from

one of our own being setup, travesty

probably peta involved somewhere

maybe she's lying and dangerously close to maybe she asked for it

to i hope he gets what he deserves.

people are back peddling at quite the speed it seems

im sure in a few days it will reach the lets lynch him point

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Well I think in leiu of how it all went down....the first part sounded rather vague.....then came this even more vague crazy story, then came the police report which was very detailed....then the pics. Like the other poster stated...I totally get de-fleshing those items for educational purposes...but if you look at the snake alone...not really a set up for that...it more looked like it was left there after it died. So yes we are seeing pictures and reading a one sided police report that sounds pretty convincing. However we have not seen his defense yet. I don't think there is one person here that hopes this is true. I know I certainly hope that there is a rational explanation for all of this.

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Originally Posted by loxocemus

this thread has went from

one of our own being setup, travesty

probably peta involved somewhere

maybe she's lying and dangerously close to maybe she asked for it

to i hope he gets what he deserves.

people are back peddling at quite the speed it seems

im sure in a few days it will reach the lets lynch him point

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I have not changed my thoughts about the rape part at all.Now after seeing those pics thats another thing :mad:.If he really has done those things and allowed reptiles to suffer it will not only be him paying the price but us all :(.This will give those wanting to end our hobby some major leverage since he is well known in the world.Whats really weird is we know more info concerning the rape part then we do the reptile parts :confused:.I wonder why they are being hush hush? If this turns out to be a total setup i hope he cleans out everyone involved bank accounts ;).

I don't consider it to be back-pedaling to change an opinion when you're given new facts. You can say the soup is great, until you find out there's pee in it, then you change your mind(I'll bet). We got a partial story which no one would WANT to be true, and it's filled in some with hard facts(pictures), although we're still missing a lot of the story.

I'll still wait to hear the end results, and as I said, IF he's guilty, I'd want him punished, and if he's not, I'd want him cleared. I still think the girl's story sound a bit wacko, and it's going to end up a "he said, she said" from what I see. I don't know how anyone would have evidence of him doing all that from months ago, which makes me wonder how they are bringing charges just on someone's word. I mean.. I could pick some guy at random and say "Oh, he raped me" and they'll just go charge him? With all those details in the report, what evidence did they get to bring actual charges?

All the animal stuff stems from the sex charge warrant, so if that charge turns up bogus, they might end up having to throw out all the evidence of neglect if the warrant was based on nothing. Hopefully if there was indeed neglect(which at least that snake looks like) he'll get charged for it.

More pics released . http://www.wisn.com/slideshow/slides...17/detail.html

Ok i just posted something on fauna concerning this.I wish we had someone that we trust that could get us the whole story instead of this bits and pieces we have been getting.I mean cmon if this place really looked like this dont you think the neighbors would have complained before now :confused:.The smell alone would be enough :weirdface

That is pretty filthy. And I believe the photos to be accurate. Joe, how can you just sit there and say all of this is BS? Those pictures can't be fake. Where would they have gotten the pictures from? Why are you convinced the neighbors would smell it? If the buildings don't share an air supply system then there is really no way the neighbors could smell it.

I agree entirely with Kaorte. It's impossible for those photos to be faked, and I honestly don't understand how some people can be so stubborn as to not admit that.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

That is pretty filthy. And I believe the photos to be accurate. Joe, how can you just sit there and say all of this is BS? Those pictures can't be fake. Where would they have gotten the pictures from? Why are you convinced the neighbors would smell it? If the buildings don't share an air supply system then there is really no way the neighbors could smell it.

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Well i am not the only one that questions the photos and you can see for yourself over on fauna.I would think the stench would be let out when they opened a door to leave or something.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well i am not the only one that questions the photos and you can see for yourself over on fauna.I would think the stench would be let out when they opened a door to leave or something.

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Come on. Do you really think that people not smelling it before hand is enough to say this is all BS?

Were you there? Did you actually not smell anything?

Yeah you can doubt it but they would have to go through a lot of trouble to get fake pictures like that.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Come on. Do you really think that people not smelling it before hand is enough to say this is all BS?

Were you there? Did you actually not smell anything?

Yeah you can doubt it but they would have to go through a lot of trouble to get fake pictures like that.

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How do we know those pics are REALLY from Terries place? Did you take them?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

How do we know those pics are REALLY from Terries place? Did you take them?

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Well if they weren't from his place then where on earth are they from? If they are from some other nasty facility then surely that place would also be in the news?

I believe that the pictures are in fact from his place.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Well if they weren't from his place then where on earth are they from? If they are from some other nasty facility then surely that place would also be in the news?

I believe that the pictures are in fact from his place.

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Maybe PETA released there pics by accident :rolleyes:.If this does infact turn out to be how Terry really treated reptiles in my opinion he needs to be punished not only by the law but by us as a community.

Believe me, I don't want him to be guilty but the evidence that I have seen so far tells me that he is.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

That is pretty filthy. And I believe the photos to be accurate. Joe, how can you just sit there and say all of this is BS? Those pictures can't be fake. Where would they have gotten the pictures from? Why are you convinced the neighbors would smell it? If the buildings don't share an air supply system then there is really no way the neighbors could smell it.

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Ever had experience with a building like that? I have. Had an abandoned house on the property. My uncle had been kicked off the land so it was time to clean. The house had rotting trash, dirty diapers, and various other nasty things. Could stand outside it with the doors/windows shut and smell the stench.

It does seem a little bit weird that no one smelt it... especially after seeing the pictures.

And those pictures could of in fact been easily faked/taken elsewhere, but who would go to all the trouble of 'framing' terry cullen?

It is most likely, like 99%, that those are actual pictures taken from inside his building.

Actually, I remember reading one of the neighbors commenting that they could smell it. How did you conclude that no one noticed the stench?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Actually, I remember reading one of the neighbors commenting that they could smell it. How did you conclude that no one noticed the stench?

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in one news report, a few random people from the neighborhood said they didn't smell anything. That is all I remember of the matter.