I need help with this spider!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im just gonna throw out there that no he should not be bred at all as we are trying to make spiders stop wobbling which will probally never happen but by breeding a wobbly one it makes the blood line weaker just as inbreeding does.

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Originally Posted by jere000

Im just gonna throw out there that no he should not be bred at all as we are trying to make spiders stop wobbling which will probally never happen but by breeding a wobbly one it makes the blood line weaker just as inbreeding does.

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ye man, nice darts, this is what i was saying in previous post.

and i was explaining to a friend here at work that im gonna buy "Good" ones and keep breeding only good ones and try breed this out of them.

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Originally Posted by wuldier

hrmmmm, there is no way you can say they are as good off as a snake w/o the tardness.

and whos to tell if they really are suffering in some kind of way?

i still wanna know why killer bees are so valuable yet, retarded..

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First of all they are NOT retarded. I've posted before on my thoughts about it in the past - I'll see if I can't dig it up - I believe it's actually an equilibrium problem that expresses itself to varying degrees (sort of like virtigo).

If you don't want to work with them, then don't. It's something that troubles you. Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by wuldier

ye man, nice darts, this is what i was saying in previous post.

and i was explaining to a friend here at work that im gonna buy "Good" ones and keep breeding only good ones and try breed this out of them.

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You can't breed it out of them. Non-wobblers (those that have a barely detectable one) can and do throw train wrecks. Train wrecks can and do throw "non-wobblers". Every single spider breeder before you has had aspirations of breeding it out of them. No one has.

Here's what I posted in February on this subject:

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This is strictly my opinion - I do not believe that the spider wobble is neurological, but rather an equilibrium problem with the spiders. I have four spiders, every one of them has a wobble.

If you pulled open their tubs, took them out, handled them, let them crawl around, you'd say that they didn't have the spider spin.

But sit quietly in front of their tubs at night when they are exploring their tubs, and they move differently than the rest of my collection. When they get to the top of the tub, they will sometimes twist over backwards, wobble, etc.

Since all spiders are descendants of one animal, and the wobble is known to be associated with the gene, I do not believe that it can be bred out - and that it's tied to the spider alelle (sp?).

Again - this is only my opinion - but I'd be willing to bet if owners who swear that they have non-wobblers observed their animal's movements at night, they would see that they behave differently from their other ball pythons.

I don't personally believe it to be a bad thing. All four of mine are eating and nailing their food (it doesn't inhibit their ability to effectively dispatch their prey), growing and shedding. I think that it adds to their quirky personalities and I don't mind it.

I will say that to a first time spider owner, it can be a bit disconcerting, even if you know it's a trait of the spider - it was to me.

I think it's time to stop being fearful of the "dreaded wobble" and instead accept that it's just part of the spider charm.

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Good post Robin. I agree and especially agree that they are not "retarded", which sounds a tad offensive.

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Originally Posted by wuldier

hrmmmm, there is no way you can say they are as good off as a snake w/o the tardness.

and whos to tell if they really are suffering in some kind of way?

i still wanna know why killer bees are so valuable yet, retarded..

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I can say with absolute 100 percent certainty that spiders and spider combos that wobble are just as well off as animals that don't. They eat, they grow, they shed they poop.

There are a few things I've learned over the years about these animals, the biggest of which is what allowed me to make this statement. If there is anything wrong with the animals health i.e. they are in pain or sick. They will not eat. I've had animals that would just slam food and then one day just stop, do a little digging and they have a mild RI, I mean so mild that even my vet had to pay close attention to notice it. I've had an animal with an injury quit eating.

If you know your animals and you've spent enough time with these snakes you can tell when something is wrong with one of them.

I have a Bee she's a little tweaked..When if you just grab her she freaks, also during feeding time she likes to head wobble. No big deal. Shes eats better than any snake I own and despite being a little tweaked. I've never seen a snake that is this sweet that eats this consistently.

Killer bee's are so valuable because they are a homozygous pastel and spider gene in the same animal. Breeders have gotten past the wobble in spiders and most just except it. It doesn't make them defective it just makes them unique.

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Originally Posted by wuldier

i still wanna know why killer bees are so valuable yet, retarded..

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Because it's a super pastel and a spider in one snake... :salute: