what types of pythons make what?

im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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Originally Posted by garett

im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

This is a good starting guide for it. :gj:

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Originally Posted by garett

im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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wow nice back tracking!!! well im sorry but you have a lot of nice people on this site that can help, i have had my problems here but its always been because im pasonite about the animals, i have learned a lot here and grown a lot!

well anyway good luck Einstien on "saleing your bald pythons"
sorry superballs still has to be superballs sometimes:D

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Originally Posted by garett

im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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right and starting somewhere shouldnt be being rude to people who can help!!

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

My post was definitely not aimed at anyone who gave honest constructive criticism or advice. It was mainly aimed at this. Like you said, you didn't know anything 2 weeks ago, either. Now, after 2 weeks of asking questions, you are so full of snake wisdom that you can tell someone to ignore the advise of experienced, seasoned keepers and breeders here, and to only listen to you, a complete rookie who tells people that they shouldn't buy a single snake, and will never be able to sell future offspring, etc. Aren't you the one who thought albinos and lavender albinos were compatible, only a couple of days ago?

Usually, the people who have a couple of weeks of research and ownership under their belts stick to regurgitating forum dogma. You should stick to educating yourself for a while, imho, before attempting to hand out advice. You don't have experience, so all you are capable of doing is regurgitating internet dogma, or giving bad information.

He definitely knows that he's unlikely to break even breeding a pair or two of ball pythons, let alone make money. But for the record, there are plenty of people out there who breed way more snakes than any one person could ever love on a personal level, for the purpose of making money. I don't see a problem with it, as long as the snakes are taken care of. Congratulations on being such an "amazing owner", with such a deep passion for snakes, but don't assume that your passion gives you any special wisdom that a new owner won't receive from someone who likely has the same passion as you, but who actually has a little experience under his belt. Just my $0.02.

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All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first. It has been my personal life experience that whenever somebody deals with animals on a small scale for the sole purpose of making money, they tend not to care as much about the animal as they do about the potential income. Sure, some big breeders began small and then turned it into a business, and treat it as a business. They respect and care for the animals. 8ballpythons.com has a journal entry geared towards those thinking that BP breeding is the new "dot bomb." If the question was posed the way he back tracked, or the way you defended him, that indeed he was just interested in learning about a little to be able to sell off his extra animals...well then I would have responded in a whole different manner. The fact that he posed his first question as an inquiry as to whether or not he can make "bald pythons" "saleable" gave off an air of ignorance and a desire to own BPs driven by the potential money to be made.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me. This is not my first walk in the park, thank you very much. Sure, I can regurgitate the info that I get from the forum and be a nice ole lad, but that would mean I would have to remain neutral towards owners that just might be heading the wrong path. The last thing I would like to see is some guy who thought he could make money breeding BPs and then ditching them in random places when his E/I ratio caused him to back out. HR 669 w00t w00t.

And I agree, there is no issue with people breeding more snakes than they can love for the purpose of profit, but like I said in the beginning, they at least care for the animals to the best of their ability until they are sold.

Bottom line...I saw a possible bad situation for a BP in the making, I reacted to it, and that's that. My bad for having a passion for bald pythons.:colbert2:

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first. It has been my personal life experience that whenever somebody deals with animals on a small scale for the sole purpose of making money, they tend not to care as much about the animal as they do about the potential income. Sure, some big breeders began small and then turned it into a business, and treat it as a business. They respect and care for the animals. 8ballpythons.com has a journal entry geared towards those thinking that BP breeding is the new "dot bomb." If the question was posed the way he back tracked, or the way you defended him, that indeed he was just interested in learning about a little to be able to sell off his extra animals...well then I would have responded in a whole different manner. The fact that he posed his first question as an inquiry as to whether or not he can make "bald pythons" "saleable" gave off an air of ignorance and a desire to own BPs driven by the potential money to be made.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me. This is not my first walk in the park, thank you very much. Sure, I can regurgitate the info that I get from the forum and be a nice ole lad, but that would mean I would have to remain neutral towards owners that just might be heading the wrong path. The last thing I would like to see is some guy who thought he could make money breeding BPs and then ditching them in random places when his E/I ratio caused him to back out. HR 669 w00t w00t.

And I agree, there is no issue with people breeding more snakes than they can love for the purpose of profit, but like I said in the beginning, they at least care for the animals to the best of their ability until they are sold.

Bottom line...I saw a possible bad situation for a BP in the making, I reacted to it, and that's that. My bad for having a passion for bald pythons.:colbert2:

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im sorry, but your right on!!!!

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first.

Except for all that other stuff you said. If that were all you said, I would have agreed with you, instead of calling B.S.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me.

I didn't pretend to know you, and I didn't assume anything. I quoted your words, my friend. You talked garbage here, saying that he would never be able to sell a snake, because of his ignorance of the mutation combinations, then even again in this reply, you say that 2 weeks ago you had "no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible". You didn't leave anything to the imagination here about your experience and knowledge level. You posted it all right here in this thread. There were no assumptions necessary. In my experience, you will probably not sell very many snakes, because from the very beginning of your time in the hobby, you are arrogant and unhelpful, and this shows everyone reading this that your customer service skills might be lacking, and like you said above, there are hundreds of well known breeders in the game. Customer service has become one of the most important factors for a lot of buyers.

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Originally Posted by garett

thanks guys i couldnt really understand what that list was but i dont know a whole lot about genetics. if yall could recommend me to snakes that will turn out beautiful babies that i could sale what would yall recommend. i kind of like lemon pastel's but what would i have to get to make those kind of babies and what are yalls favorites and how do yall make those. thinks guys - garett

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PLease dont be offended by this but it seems to me like your in this for a get rich quick scheme breeding is not as easy as you would think. I have been breeding 6 different females with assorted males for 8 months and have only gotten one clutch. Breeding is time consuming and can be expensive. And as for "which" morph will make the best babies is purely a matter of opinion. One may say a simple pastel others may say albino spider not gonna get into the really complex crosses. But make sure your in this for the love of tha animals first and then breeding as a way to expand your love and interest in these animals.

I pointed out that he would not be able to sell his snakes before doing research because there are a LOT of them out there to be sold by trusted names in the business. IF he was just trying to breed to sell, then he was entering a very competitive field of established morphs and the companies that sell them.

YOU took a shot at me and called me a rookie, if not knowing about the hundreds of morphs and their compatibilities makes me a rookie, then so be it. I guess everyone knows every aspect of their animals' genetic combo possibilities as soon as they take one into their care. From the beginning of my time in the hobby, I have not been arrogant and unhelpful, rather, I have been concerned for the well being of a random snake in another part of the world.

Werent you the one that got all flustered over an incubator tutorial because it had potential to cut your profits?

Anyways, I don't really feel like sitting here and arguing with you, so just enjoy doing what you do, and I'll enjoying what I do. And when/if your buddy Garett there decides that he took a long walk off a short pier with his newest money making idea, be kind enough to house the snakes for him, will ya? Shanks.

:gj: .