CT just snuck this thru

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Joshua,

Not all that much for now! This law is only Connecticut... however, more of these laws might be passed state per state... and more probably will get passed.

As far as I know there aren't may huge breeder in Connecticut though, so as far as that is concerned, we're not losing a BHB or a NERD.

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Um so its no big deal if we lose some of our family from here rights to own reptiles :weirdface.I hope this was just a typo because anyone and everyone that loves reptiles matters ;)

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

You are totally wrong.

Thousands of responsible exotic owners just got screwed and their pets just got sentenced to death.

........and how does not losing a big breeder consititute an acceptable intrusion onto our rights? When did you and I become expendable so that Kevin and Brian can live to fight another day?

It affects everyone who owns an exotic pet. It shows just how easy it is to quickly and almost secretly enact legislation that can take away your rights and freedoms.

It also shows how unorganized and ineffective this community is. How many of you even bother to check your state senate and assembly websites for bills of this type coming down the pipe?

The State of Connecticut just encated a poorly written piece of legislation that not only denies exotic pet owners of their rights but sentences an untold number of animals to death.

It also grants immense power to the "commisioner" to add species to the list as he sees fit. It also provides a model and an example for advocates of this type of garbage in other states to follow.

It stinks and it has a huge affect on everyone in this community.

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I suppose my opinion differs from yours.

Don't get me wrong. These pieces of legislation are affecting the entire herp communty, which is what Joshua was asking about.

However, this particular law by itself does not affect the entire American herp community all that much because it's only one (small) state.

Get my point? I'm hating these laws and I do think they're a threat. This particular law by itself, however, doesn't affect the whole community all that much.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Um so its no big deal if we lose some of our family from here rights to own reptiles :weirdface.I hope this was just a typo because anyone and everyone that loves reptiles matters ;)

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*sighs*

Joshua asked the question how this would affect the entire herp community. Not individual herpers. I feel really bad for all those herpers, but since only large constrictors and hots are banned, it won't affect the entire community that much.

Do you not agree?

I totally disagree with you on this one.

Lawmakers often look to what has been done in other states when making new laws. This new law in CT could easily be used as a foundation for the law that will be proposed in YOUR state.

Still think it doesn't matter much?

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

I suppose my opinion differs from yours.

Don't get me wrong. These pieces of legislation are affecting the entire herp communty, which is what Joshua was asking about.

However, this particular law by itself does not affect the entire American herp community all that much because it's only one (small) state.

Get my point? I'm hating these laws and I do think they're a threat. This particular law by itself, however, doesn't affect the whole community all that much.



*sighs*

Joshua asked the question how this would affect the entire herp community. Not individual herpers. I feel really bad for all those herpers, but since only large constrictors and hots are banned, it won't affect the entire community that much.

Do you not agree?

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Do the advocates/sponsors of these bills live in just Connecticut?

Of course not. These bills are backed by the same environmental groups that are behind 669.

You can only take down one state at a time. Today it's Connecticut. Tomorrow maybe Arkansas and before you know it, Texas. Will you be shrugging your shoulders when Texas enacts a similar bill? Or would you be shrugging your shoulders if it was "just" the state that either BHB or NERD are in?

...and by the way - read the Bill for crying out loud. It also includes rear fanged snakes (most of which are not even considered "warm"), varanids, tarantulas, scorpions and dart frogs. It also empowers the "commissioner" to ban any additional animals he/she think pose a threat to other animals or humans.

What happens when they find out that most colubrids are technically venomous? Some of the opistoglyphs listed in the bill are no more dangerous than that. What then?

But before you *sigh* at mine or any other post - please, read the freaking bill.

No need to fight amongst ourselves guys:D

What we need to be doing in checking into our local legislation to try and detect things like this before it becomes a problem like Conneticut.

HR669 could even be a distraction of sorts, keep your eyes open everybody, its not over yet.

I want to help fight this, but how? I'm in MA; would legislators in CT really care what I have to say?

Some animals should still be completely legal, but others should have a permit system in place. For example, large snakes such as burms/Afrocks and also hots. However I have no idea how I'd explain that to a legislator...

Any ideas?

Before you start acusing me of stuff think about what you're saying.

Yes I read the bill. No I'm not shrugging my shoulders.

Are you not reading my posts?!

I'm saying THIS PARTICULAR BILL does NOT affect the ENTIRE COUNTRY all that much.

HOWEVER, the IDEAS BEHIND THE BILL will affect the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

I wasn't sighing at your posts by the way.

*EDIT* I'm also saying it's only big constrictors, hots, and your "warm" snakes. Some of your opistoglyphs can prove harmful to people and are thus considered dangerous. It's not a lot of species banned, mind you. Yes I'll say it again, I read the bill.

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However, this particular law by itself does not affect the entire American herp community all that much because it's only one (small) state.

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Get my point? I'm hating these laws and I do think they're a threat. This particular law by itself, however, doesn't affect the whole community all that much.

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For NOW

However it creates a precedent, CT did it and other states will look at this and say let’s do the same.

I'm appalled at the whole thing, but most of all I cannot believe that dart frogs are on that list.
Don't any of those politicians know ANYTHING about these animals?

If I were making laws, I'd at least spend a few minutes looking into the things I was banning. I hate ignorance. These frogs are not toxic in captivity. Not even a little.

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Originally Posted by FragginDragon

Never give up.

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Never surrender!