Why We Are Idiots For Using Kingsnake.com To Price Our Animals

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

I totally breed for the fun of it!!! I love my animals and plan my breeding projects very carefully. I am 100% committed to keeping every animal I breed if I am not able to sell them.

Why do you ask?

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Wanted to know.

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A LOT of you folks seem to want to dictate what you can get for YOUR snakes. Good luck with that.

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I do dictate what I get for my animals.. I sold all of my spider males last year for 300.00 plus shipping..It took me a little longer to sale them at that price..

I think what most people get their panties in a bunch over is that the animals don't fly out of the tubs at the prices they have set.. But me I don't care..If you don't want to pay 350.00 for a female spider then she'll be 600.00 at 12 months old, if she's still here at 18 months she becomes NFS and I produce some kick ass combos with her..No skin off my nose.

For me at least, it's not about being mad at people who value their snakes at lower than market prices, but at the entire situation of a handful of these guys driving the direction of the market, which works different than every other market in the free world. I don't mind holding onto my hatchlings as long as it takes to sell them, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't suck that the entire market is driven by a few people who are shooting themselves in the foot with their pricing so they can sell out in a few weeks, while destroying the real market values of all these animals.

I'm upset that in any other market, if an item sold out for $500 with new stock not being available for 6 months, you can believe that after those 6 months, they would hit the shelves with the same price tag, not a $100 price tag. It's so obvious that the demand is there at the higher prices, so it upsets me that a handful of people undercut market pricing and get followed be another handful of people in a never ending cycle, until the norm is giving all these rare animals away for less than it costs to produce them. I don't understand why so many people are paying good money for a pair to breed, raising them, breeding them, feeding and caring for the babies, then accepting less money than cost, when they could all be charging exponentially more if they could risk holding onto them for a few extra weeks. Why even breed and sell them if that's your business model?

The Horticulture industry puts trademarks and royalties on genetics. If So&So grower produces a new cultivar of Hemerocallis and they trademark it, those genetics are owned and it is illegal to propagate and SELL that specific plant. To do so would require licensing and a royalty would be charged on each plant sold.

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

The Horticulture industry puts trademarks and royalties on genetics. If So&So grower produces a new cultivar of Hemerocallis and they trademark it, those genetics are owned and it is illegal to propagate and SELL that specific plant. To do so would require licensing and a royalty would be charged on each plant sold.

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I sincerely hope this never happens to the herp world.

[QUOTE=wilomn;1032470]IF it's just the snake you want and not the privilege of bragging about WHO you got it from, then any snake that was healthy and had the looks and genetics you wanted SHOULD suffice for your needs, whether it comes from one of the big guys or not.QUOTE]

Yeah, you're right. Otherwise there would be no demand for new breeders. I would still rather get it from a breeder, than a pet store. At least its easier to get a hold of one when something goes wrong, or I just have a simple question.

[QUOTE=jsmorphs2;1032478]HemerocallisQUOTE]

What's a hemerocallis?

Coupla things, I'd avoid pet stores if you're serious about your ball pythons. They can be great for pets, but go to a breeder if you're looking to reproduce them yourself.

Also, I'm all for being angry at the bozos who drop prices(but I wouldn't take away their ability to do so). The thing is, they don't care, it changes nothing, and wastes time.

If someone buys a $1,000 morph from a big breeder and in a few years produces 5 of the same morph why the heck would they sell the offspring for less!!?? Just cause that breeder is a joe-someone and has healthy animals doesn't mean his animals are less valuable..... I think people don't give themselves enough credit. You produce great animals, why should you compromise price if your just small time??

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

HemerocallisQUOTE]

What's a hemerocallis?

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They are daylilys:)