New Setup..

You can do something your whole life, and you can still be doing it wrong. :)

There is no excuse for how he is housing those animals. Just because something hasn't happened (yet), doesn't mean it will stay that way. Those species should not be kept together, for several reasons. Husbandry is just one tiny little reason or how about stress and competition?

I think tanks over 50 are excellent.
I've seen an adult bp in a 30 and the poor thing looked miserable. Sure, they spend lots of time hiding during the day, but LOVE to be active and explore at night.

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Originally Posted by demonicchild

I think tanks over 50 are excellent.
I've seen an adult bp in a 30 and the poor thing looked miserable. Sure, they spend lots of time hiding during the day, but LOVE to be active and explore at night.

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What experience is this based on? Not trying to be a donkey, but most breeders keep their BPs in small enclosures and they feed, poop, and shed normally. That's how you tell if a snake is happy.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

What experience is this based on? Not trying to be a donkey, but most breeders keep their BPs in small enclosures and they feed, poop, and shed normally. That's how you tell if a snake is happy.

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It just seems extremely cramped to me.
Hearing people say that they can live in 20s drives me nuts. Now I am just getting into this hobby but really, 20 gallons are for hermit crabs and guppies. Not big snakes.

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Originally Posted by demonicchild

It just seems extremely cramped to me.
Hearing people say that they can live in 20s drives me nuts. Now I am just getting into this hobby but really, 20 gallons are for hermit crabs and guppies. Not big snakes.

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Right, because BPs are so huge :rolleyes:

Thing is, with any other species of snake that size I'd get a larger cage.

It's not my fault, however, that BPs spend their lives in termite mounds and rodent holes.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Right, because BPs are so huge :rolleyes:

Thing is, with any other species of snake that size I'd get a larger cage.

It's not my fault, however, that BPs spend their lives in termite mounds and rodent holes.

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But they also come alive at night and will use up all that space.
haha. To me, bps are huge! lol. Corn snake person over here. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by demonicchild

But they also come alive at night and will use up all that space.
haha. To me, bps are huge! lol. Corn snake person over here. :rofl:

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Of course they come out. At first I thought the same thing: how can snakes live in such a small enclosure? I even started a thread on if it was ethical to keep snakes in racks.

That's when I started hearing all the great success stories of people keeping these snakes in small enclosures...

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Originally Posted by demonicchild

But they also come alive at night and will use up all that space.
haha. To me, bps are huge! lol. Corn snake person over here. :rofl:

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I would say that corn snakes need more room than a BP :/

Yes, BP's are active at night, but they aren't super active and don't really need a huge amount of space. That is just how they are. My two girls live in 16qt tubs and they are perfectly content. They will move up to 30qt tubs in a few months and they will stay in those their whole lives (or until they can't fit in them anymore :P).

There are arguments for both sides. I still think they should be provided with as much room as possible. Of course keeping a corn hatchling in a 50 would be a bit much, but you know what I mean.

Plus, I love the decorating aspect and room you have to work with in a big area.