i broke my collar bone and seperated my shoulder at the same time playing football in the snow i got tackled and cracked my collar bone on a big rock and when my friend rolled over me POP went my shoulder i got up ready to cry lol i didnt know which way to move it i got whooosy and almost passed out cause i was freaking out one way i wanted to pull my arm so my shoulder could fall in place the other way i wanted pressure to keep my collar bone from hurting i didnt have to go to surgery tho but i do need physical therapy that i keep putting off for my shoulder best of luck to you :gj: