Black Eyed Leucistic

Awesome Paul. What line of fires are you breeding?

Wow! Black eyes are my favorite white snake, and your's are as good as it gets.

Congrats,
Dan

I love the black eyes on the leucistics. Great odds, Congrats!

I actually like the yellow blotches on the Black Eyed Lucy. I also cannot understand how BEL is Black Eyed Lucy, when it just as easily could be Blue Eyed Lucy.

Dave

I too prefer lots of yellow blotching on Black Eyed Lucies, I don't get the ''these are perfect'', we have Bleu eyed lucies that are all white, variation with yellow blotching is quite desirable in my book and not a default.

Regardless, those are beauties, congrats :gj:

ok so how do i get me one?????????:D

:O:O:O:O:O

:gj:

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I actually like the yellow blotches on the Black Eyed Lucy. I also cannot understand how BEL is Black Eyed Lucy, when it just as easily could be Blue Eyed Lucy.

Dave

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Each to their own, we all like different things and thats the beauty of Balls, versatility... Personally I prefer rare and clean over dirty and common any day. Lot of people go for the yellow patches but a lot of those people are only producing that level of quality :)
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Paul

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lot of those people are only producing that level of quality

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Paul, please elaborate on ''that level of quality'', are you saying BEL with blotching are somewhat inferior quality, I would tend to think the black eyed lucies with no blotching are of less value, after all, we have the bleu eyed if someone wanted patternless white snake.

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dirty and common

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Dirty meaning, the yellow blotching gives it a dirty look? I've not hatched any black eyed yet, are you saying you normaly get more dirty ones then clean ones in any given clutch?

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Originally Posted by the odds god

Paul, please elaborate on ''that level of quality'', are you saying BEL with blotching are somewhat inferior quality, I would tend to think the black eyed lucies with no blotching are of less value, after all, we have the bleu eyed if someone wanted patternless white snake.

Dirty meaning, the yellow blotching gives it a dirty look? I've not hatched any black eyed yet, are you saying you normaly get more dirty ones then clean ones in any given clutch?

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When someone talks about a Leucistic animal they usually mean an animal that is pure white and lacking cell pigmentation. As we know this is not strictly the true sense of a Leucy but its what is known to be the holy grail. Now, Eric Davis was the man several years ago here in the UK that first produced them and has produced many since. We exchanged emails last year on the subject and it was his opinion that no one had produced a pure white Black Eyed yet. Here is a post from THIS year from Ember Reptiles which has 3 members, Eric being one of them. http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/snake...ic-royals.html So after ALL these years they finally produced their FIRST pure white animal this year after MANY animals that had yellow patches. So yes, the pure white ones are VERY rare. There are one or 2 breeders in the States that have produced the odd one as well. To my knowledge no one anywhere has produced 6 pure white animals out of 2 clutches (8eggs) using the Fire line. The other 2 have 2 DOTS of yellow but not patches. So when myself and almost any breeder talks about a clean BEL, Black or Blue they mean the WHITEST and LESS marked animal possible. I have held almost every Blue combo going and in my opinion when aged not one looks as clean as these guys. So yes, I do feel an animal that is not pure white all over is of lesser quality and as there are hundreds of them with yellow patches and a handful without then they are more rare. This is subjective opinion and I know many will disagree but I would be very surprised if someone that was hatching out lots of yellow Black BELs would feel a pure white one to be infirior and sell for less money????
Paul