Questions about kinked caramels and breeding

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Originally Posted by grunt_11b

What line are you working with gloryhound? I see in your sig it says caramels. I was just wondering if your doing het to het, homo to het or what?

Thanks
Alan

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Not sure what this has to do with the thread!

Right now we are working with a Het to Possible Het. From CV Exotics. Neither are old enough or large enough to breed at this time. Since the Female is possible het but fully het for Orange Ghost we will probably breed her with our Het Orange Ghost male first. We are hoping to add a 100% het Caramel female in the future.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Apparently there is something being bred in Africa called the Crider (hope I have that spelled right) which is quite possibly a completely different mutation that just happens to look fairly caramel like but might not have the kink problems.

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Ghi Reptiles has a Crider line caramel, looks almost like a caramel glow in the picture on his website.

On another note, has anyone heard of kinking appearing in crosses with the caramel gene? I had read somewhere that when you add another gene into the mix with the super cinnamon/black pastel, it doesn't end up with the duckbill effect. Which got me wondering if maybe the same could be said of the caramel albinos.

i want to know if there are kinked HET caramels?

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,
How would a kink in a female caramel affect her ability to breed and lay eggs successfully? Would it depend entirely on location or would complications result no matter where it happened to be?

Do the kinked parents produce a higher ratio of kinked offspring or not? It was wondering this that raised the female breedability question. :confused:

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I don't think males would have any problem breeding, females may have trouble laying eggs depending where the kinking was.

However I don't believe you'll see anyone admitting to breeding kinked animals on an open forum, the outcry from all of 'the experts' would be too deafening. :rolleyes:

Dang, I forgot to look at the date....

But in answer to the previous posters question, I've never seen a het carmel with kinks.

I personally would not breed a kinked animal if the kink was genetic. It seems to me that a genetically kinked animal would have a high chance of throwing kinked offspring.

Woops, didn't realize it was an old post.

I once saw an ad for a kinked possible het caramel. The seller claimed that het caramels tended to kink. I don't know anything about the guy so can't really say if he would just say that to try to make the case for his possible being a het but I've never heard anyone else mention het caramels kinking so it could have just been a random kink unrelated to the caramel gene. But then again homozygous caramels where being sold for years before the kinking issue ever came out publically and it was a few more years before the question of egg viability with female homozygous caramels was raised so the industry has a record of not talking about problems (spinning in spiders also wasn’t discussed on the forums until after spiders where sold for years). I guess my point is that if het caramels had a tendency to kink I wouldn't expect to hear about it or any other problem until hundreds of people have the morph and it can't be kept quite anymore. But since het caramels are widespread enough that even I have a pair now (no kinks) I’m thinking it’s a pretty fair bet they don’t kink at any significant rate or it would have come up on the forums by now.

I have a bell line male caramel that does have a tail tip kink, wjile it is not severe in any way it is still a kink and was sold at almost normal pricing 4 years ago.he has been bred with only one het caramel female which is a nerd line and in the 4 years of breeding they have never produced a kinked animal.i incubate them a little drier than normal but at mormal incubating temps. kinking can happen in any balls. my friend this year produced some spiders and normals all in same clutch all had tail kinks. i personally would not breed a severely kinked animal.

snakeRus,

What do your feeder rodents eat?

i went to a friends house and she had a rescue ball python....very sweet female, a screeeeaming obvious het something with blushing, flames, much lighter than average, and a clear belly. her spine was just gnarly though, kink after kink after kink. apparently she was run over by a bicycle and then found and rescued. so i was playing with the idea that she was a kinked het.... whether she is a kinked het or a run-over rescue, she is totally un-breedable because of her severe spinal deformities.