Curiosity and genetics...overbite?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I'm curious... say this turns out to be a recessive trait and all the offspring appear normal. Will you disclose the abnormality of the sire and dame to your customers or will you continue to raise the offspring and breed them back to their parents in order determine if it is genetic or not?

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That's correct.

Sorry, it should read "not JUST for my own personal curiosity" But i would be lying if i said i didn't pick them up out of personal curiosity.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I'm curious... say this turns out to be a recessive trait and all the offspring appear normal. Will you disclose the abnormality of the sire and dame to your customers or will you continue to raise the offspring and breed them back to their parents in order determine if it is genetic or not?

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This is where the real ethical issue could arise in my opinion.....disclosure of the animals' history to potential customers. Many people don't like this abnormality and they shouldnt have to buy into this invisible variation unknowingly.

As far as euthanizing the offspring.....this would seem like a last resort to me. Why couldn't you keep these as pets as well if you had the space? And if they feed and are relatively healthy I would think you could find a buyer for the right price. Only if there are feeding and thriving problems in captivity should these animals be culled by euthanasia.

Since snakes are solidarity creatures that should most of the time be alone you wouldn't need to get them spade or neutered to prevent them from being culled from your breeding stock..just don't set them up in anymore breeding pairs.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Only if there are feeding and thriving problems in captivity should these animals be culled by euthanasia.
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Woops Should read....Only if they are not feeding and thriving in captivity....

I still don't see why you want to breed them besides to prove if it's genetic or not if you just want them as pets. I know I have a 100% het pied that I could breed him to a pied next year... but am I going to do that absolutely not. Why? Because he is a train wreck spinner with some neurological problems and I don't want to risk his offspring having that flaw of being a spinner or having the trouble that I've seen him have in his short life already. I could be careless and breed him because *I* want to see what would happen in the outcome because *I* think it would be kind of cool to see what he would produce... if it be just a normal, pos het pied, het pied, pied but it would not be cool to have that flaw if it were recessive or genetic. It may not pop up, but those babies could be carriers and it could pop up later down the road. I personally know I wouldn't want to by a pied or a het pied that came from a spinner parent or had that flaw in it's line at all. I know I personally know Loopy's parents, grand parents, great grand parents... brothers, sisters, cousions etc none of them are spinners but for some reason he is and I'm not taking that chance to see if he will pass it on or not. Just not worth it if it does. Yes I could hold back all of the ones who have that problem if it were to show up, but I don't think that would be far to them to have to live like that. It would be quite selfish and to be honest some days I really wish I hadn't fought to keep Loopy alive because now I really see that yes he may have the best life possible for his problems now... but is he really happy or even comfortable? I now think back on it all and think it was very selfish of me to fight to keep him alive and around for so long. If it weren't for me, he wouldn't be here today. I'm a big believer in mother nature and to let it just run it's course... and I probably should have let it run it's course and let Pete put him down instead of fighting everyone and his own little self to keep him around. Loopy will always just be a pet and nothing more. I'm not going to play "guinea pig" with him to see if anything is hidden in his genes or not. Not worth it at all.

Agree or disagree but that's just me.

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Ok to me, it seems an awful lot like BYB's. Any reputable breeder- in ANY form be it dogs, cat or reptiles- breed for health (and temperament). Those who don't care perpetuate things like hip dysplasia and the like. Well if nothing else, this post once again reitterates who I won't buy from in the future, but as Jamie said those of us who frequent another site already knew that.

To address your neg rep points:

"off topic. you got a problem, be an adult like the others and email or PM me."

Its not off topic at all. You apparent lack of ethics in business (see said thread) has now spilled over into these mad scientist type experiments.

If you want to be taken seriously as a breeder and as a business person, in my opinion this isn't the way.

Please correct me if I'm wrong since I'm no breeder but I thought the whole point in breeding was to make the blood lines stronger, better, different down the line. Won't this just be doing the complete opposite?

Yes I agree with Catawhat.. this does around a lot like "back yard breeders" who just throw two mutt dogs together just for one to pop out some puppies to sell for stupid amounts of money claiming it is actually a "real breed" of dog. Now that I've read most of the replies to this post, Mez I really hope you actually listen to what everyone has said.

I have to agree with what Sassy has just said. It seems to me, and perhaps I'm a tad naive here, but isn't the whole point of becoming a breeder to enhance a breed and bring out it's best potential? I don't care whether you're talking dogs, horses, snakes, whatever....it seems to me to purposely bring together two living creatures with obvious physical faults just makes absolutely no sense.

Mad scientist remark, very funny.
Breeding deformed animals, not funny.

Breed for beauty!