michael moore... sicko

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Originally Posted by AzureN1ght

I have Ulcerative Colitis, need to have colonoscopies every two years

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Ouch. That's NASTY! I wish you the best in getting affordable insurance. My family has that "curse" as I call it. Ugh, it sucks!

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Originally Posted by SarahMB

I thought it was quite good, for a first!

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I second...

So passed...A Good first rant!! :rockon:

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Originally Posted by SarahMB

I thought it was quite good, for a first!

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Yeah count me in on that also :)

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Originally Posted by neilgolli

And no offense to our neighbors to the north, but they ALL pay over 50% income tax for their "free health care".

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I think u exaggerated a little bit?!?
50% income tax... All the Canadians would move south if that happened.
My pops just told me 20% but it does go up as you enter a different pay bracket. You would have to be making more then five doctors combined to pay 50%. I think it's unheard of actually. I'd guess the highest tax backet is 35% or 40% income. Not sure.

In my province I pay 14% sales tax which is very high. It used to be 15%. I think Alberta is the lowest because of all the oil.

20% income tax for free health care... count me in!

What is US tax like??

I pay about 10% income tax and 8% sales tax, when it's all figured up. I get to earn interest on my own money, as well as invest it however I choose.

Hi,


We pay a heck of a lot of tax (and I mean a lot) over here too but everything is free in the health system apart from the drugs you recieve outside hospitals ( and in Wales even those are free).

I think it runs around $14 per item or just under but you can pay a set amount per month if you pay in advance that brings it down if you have a lot of multiple prescriptions. And if you are on welfare or low income those charges are usually waived (always on welfare - by need otherwise).

On the socialist side we seem to be a lot more relaxed about that over here - Tony Blair for example is the head of a supposedly socialist party and government. Though from his policies it might be hard to tell.:D


dr del

I agree that Moore is a major d-bag, and his last couple documentaries were a load of hooey, but I think this film does raise major issues with our healthcare system, no matter what your feelings about the way other countries' systems are handled. I've experienced it first-hand working in a hospital. It's ugly.

in canada we pay income tax... obviously... it's based on your income. 20% is the lowest you pay and 50% is the highest. we were paying 50% for years... as my hubby was bringing home 80,000+ a year. now we are a 'company' so we pay 12% or something like that... much lower.

anyways... as for health care. as a family we pay almost $120 a month for our 'govt medical'. we don't have any extended medical (as we are self employed) so all our dentist visits come out of pocket as do any medications/glasses/eye exams/chiropractor. we can write them off in our taxes but you have to pay well over $2,000 in a year to claim any of it.

as for other taxes... we have (pay at the store) taxes of GST and PST which combined are 13% i believe here in british columbia.

everyone pays in every country... no health care is perfect IMO but i think it completely sucks what happens to people in the USA (the home of the free?) where people can't afford to take their kids to see a doctor because of the cost. where people loose their homes because of medical bills. that is soooooo wrong and i hope your gov't changes that for you.

and... i like michael moore. he creates movies which get people talking and IMO that's the best kinda movie made! doesn't matter if they agree or disagree... it causes people to stop living in their little bubbles and think.

and thinking is goooooooooooooooooooood!

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

and... i like michael moore. he creates movies which get people talking and IMO that's the best kinda movie made! doesn't matter if they agree or disagree... it causes people to stop living in their little bubbles and think.

and thinking is goooooooooooooooooooood!

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I agree, except I, so far, haven't liked the way Moore presents himself and the information he gives. I do really enjoy most of the videos by Alex Jones. He means as well, if not better than Moore, and he has more sand than most in his league. As with Michael Moore, you can't take every word he says for absolute and objective fact, but he really tries. Has anyone else seen any of his documentaries? I have most of them, and everyone I've let watch them, from Hardcore liberal to hardcore Republican Bush patriot has loved them and asked for copies to give to friends. My dad's friend even had a party just so all her friends would see the video I let her borrow. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to lend them out.

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Originally Posted by AzureN1ght

I have Ulcerative Colitis, need to have colonoscopies every two years, visit a specialist at least twice a year and I found out when I re-filled my medications that if I had to pay cash, I would be spending a little over $900 a month! The one crucial medication of the two costs about $550 alone... it's a scary idea. Bleh...

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No way! My husband has Crohn's disease...I know what you are going through.

since both he and I are self employed, we need to get individual health insurance. Because of our pre-existing conditions no insurance company will take us...we actually got 'Lifetime Denial' letters from every carrier in our state!
Thank goodness we live in a state where they have a state insurance pool for people like us who have been denied everywhere else. We pay a lot, and it doesn't cover much, but if something really big happens we won't lose our home and life savings. Luckily both times my husband had to have major surgery for his Crohn's I was at the time working for companies who had group coverage that was decent. For awhile we were racking up $30,000 to $60,000 A YEAR in medical bills. It will happen again too, that's the nature of the disease unfortunately.