Morph Sales

That's a dumb reason to get/give negative feedback......negative feedback shouldn't be given when you disagree with WHAT someone says, its about HOW someone says it.

I'm sure one of the mods with make it right...you didn't do or say anything wrong.

No doubt Brad... it just read like a PM, not feedback of any sort, so I couldnt figure out why they left it there, unless they didnt want me responding ;)

The person has now sent me a PM and its been cleared up :D

Brad, you have PM ;)

I can see a lot of people wanting hets because they cant afford the actual snake, and breeding is a fun hobby.

I would say that to me, money being involved in breeding is a good justification for owning these snakes. hehe, its easier to justify buying a $1,000 snake if I can make that money back.

My only concern is when everybody in the market is buying to breed, who are the actual pet owner customers?

I also second the fact that the sub $1,000 snakes are much more likely to become a pet. With that logic you could say as more and more morphs become sub $1,000 snakes and even as they continue to drop from there, there will be more and more of a pet owner market available, thus stabilizing prices. The question then becomes, at what price will a Spider stabilize at?

I don't think its even a bad thing that prices will eventually go down, I also don't think its going to be too drastic in the near future. But 100 years from now, I think we can all agree that a Spider will not be 10 times the price of a normal ball python.

I also thought that there was a big profit with hets, because a lot of people can't afford the morphs...which is why i didnt get a pied pair, i want some hets, because it looks like a lot of people want hets.

I wonder about that too, if people are breeding, then who is buying, but a lot of breeders buy from other breeders, because it is something they don't have. The majority of the people that are breeding are not BIG time breeders, like Adam has a LOT of morphs, where as, some people might only deal with pastels and spiders. Or atleast this is what i have noticed, it's definatley not a factual thing.

well then I guess I know what I'll be buying more of

This is actually something I've been wondering. Who buys all these expensive morphs. besides people who plan on breeding there own.

I mean is there an actual market for people who have never owned a snake and say hey I feel like paying $5000 for a BP morph... never owned one before but I think it'll be cool to have one.

Or is the majority of the market for BP morphs fall within ourselves the hardcore herp people who breed, and own multiple herps and such.

If the later is true could the BP morph scene eventually cool down alot because we'll run out of people buying them.

There will always be a demand for normals for pets but what about the morphs?

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Originally Posted by kplunk

I mean is there an actual market for people who have never owned a snake and say hey I feel like paying $5000 for a BP morph... never owned one before but I think it'll be cool to have one.

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If there is a market for people to buy 18000 dollar carry on suitcases I think anything is possible this day and age. 5000 dollar purses, grilled cheese with the face of the virgin mary 35000 dollars, need I go on.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

If there is a market for people to buy 18000 dollar carry on suitcases I think anything is possible this day and age. 5000 dollar purses, grilled cheese with the face of the virgin mary 35000 dollars, need I go on.

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So as BP morph breeders besides selling to hardcore herpers we have to rely on ridiculous people to keep this business going.

Ok this is not to make anybody angry but rather just a statement.

It almost sounds to me like a pyramid scheme ( i know it isn't but just hear me out) You know you have a product attempt to sell it to people say how wonderful it is. But hey you can also make money at it too. so you sell them the business ( in this case an expensive BP morph) So they aren't lying to you, you can make money but to make the most money you have to turn around and sell the business to more people. now everyone makes money until the fact that you run out of people who are wanting to buy the business and then the whole thing crumbles.

almost like a pyramid scheme except money doesn't travel back up through the chain of people who sold the business to each other.

Hope this doesn't ring a bad vibe wasn't meant to just popped into my head.

Wasn't trying to make it seem like there is a huge market for "rediculous people" just presenting the fact that it is possible. As far as the market dying down, well I haven't been in it at all on the selling side of things so I couldn't tell. But I'm sure some of the people that have been doing this for a while now and have made it there lively hood would disagree about the stregnth of the market. There are always new people getting into snakes for the first time, young and old, proof of that is in the amount of new members we see coming here.

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Originally Posted by kplunk

So as BP morph breeders besides selling to hardcore herpers we have to rely on ridiculous people to keep this business going.

Ok this is not to make anybody angry but rather just a statement.

It almost sounds to me like a pyramid scheme ( i know it isn't but just hear me out) You know you have a product attempt to sell it to people say how wonderful it is. But hey you can also make money at it too. so you sell them the business ( in this case an expensive BP morph) So they aren't lying to you, you can make money but to make the most money you have to turn around and sell the business to more people. now everyone makes money until the fact that you run out of people who are wanting to buy the business and then the whole thing crumbles.

almost like a pyramid scheme except money doesn't travel back up through the chain of people who sold the business to each other.

Hope this doesn't ring a bad vibe wasn't meant to just popped into my head.

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Interesting idea, even kind of makes sense. I think the truth is nobody knows for sure what will happen. Maybe take a look and see what has happened to other exotic animal sales in the past.

I think the point is, you should do this as a hobby for yourself, and the enjoyment of owing or breeding. If you want to try and make your money back that is good, but it shouldn't be a priority. Also, I don't think morphs will ever completely crash, as long as people want to own snakes, there will be people that want a cooler, rarer and prettier snake and are willing to spend more for it. Obviously the unanswerable question is, how much more will they spend.