What is wrong with kids nowdays??

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

As for the "put god back in school" comment...(I know Judy, i'm trying not to make a "debate" out of it...just my POV is all)

The United States of America is made up of hundreds of different ethnicities. People from all over the world with different religions and different beliefs have come here to make the U.S. what it is. When a PUBLIC school is forced to "put god back in", you would then be forcing other people to practice a religion they do not normally follow.

I don't think you would be happy if Muslims made a big to-do about religion in public schools, and then every morning before class you're forced to bow down to Allah. We'll see how much crime goes down then.

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That is how I was raised, which is why I encourage it:) . If anyone would like to talk "gods" then I would be happy to make a specific thread.... Kids "these days" have a heavier influence from music, tv, and so on... The public schools have also become more liberal in there teachings. There is also an overall increase in divorce. Stats show a whopping 50% of America is divorced!! With all these negative influences, it's no wonder why children are growing up immoral.... BTW, I'm not here to personally offend anyone, but rather share my humble opinion. This is what a debate is about though.

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Originally Posted by SarahMB

Well, I'm one of those people that think hitting in any form is abuse. There is no need to hurt a child to teach proper behavior. If a person hits an adult, they are charged with assault, with good reason. I don't see why the rules should be different for children. Good parenting skills are more effective than physical intimidation, a fact backed up by many studies.

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I do agree with you after thinking about what Christie has said:

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parents have to figure out where to 'hit em where it hurts'. I could spank my daughter all day with little effect on her, but if I sit her where she does not get any attention and she straightens up pretty quick. Of course sometimes it requires a favorite toy to be taken away.

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I love watching that TV show, The Nanny i think it is..i can't remembet the name, but a british "nanny" comes in and points out all of the things that parents are doing wrong and usually by the end of the show the children are acting somewhat normal...it's amazing what taking away privileges do to children :)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I do agree with you after thinking about what Christie has said:



I love watching that TV show, The Nanny i think it is..i can't remembet the name, but a british "nanny" comes in and points out all of the things that parents are doing wrong and usually by the end of the show the children are acting somewhat normal...it's amazing what taking away privileges do to children :)

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Super Nanny? :D

It's a good thing I'm in a private school...

okay, i have some pretty strong views on this topic. so, here goes in the shortest possible way (you can thank me later LOL)

i believe a lot of the changes are happening (when it comes to how kids are growing up) because both parents are working. so many babies are in daycare... with multiple day care workers as their daily role models. think about it, you have a baby and some person making minimum wage who you don't even really know if teaching your child what is right and wrong. it's pretty scarey! society needs to change, to make allowances for moms (or dads) to stay at home and parent/raise their children instead of turning their kids into jobs for others.

and when it comes to discipline. i never hit my kids. i don't have to. i do this amazing thing... wanna know what it is? i talk to them... i know i know you are thinking WTF is she saying here? talk to them? that's crazy! well let me tell you... it really works!

i sit down... and we discuss calmly whatever has happened. we share our feelings, our thoughts and in the end... everything is good. IF someone is too upset to talk... we take some time, sitting alone in our room (yup that's mom included here) and calm down, gather our thoughts and then we sit down and talk calmly.

i believe that by showing my kids, thru my own actions, that situations can be resolved by being calm and articulate - that they will mirror this within their own lives.

example: today my son broke one our drinking cups. it's handmade pottery - $15 a cup. this is the second one he's broken because he sets them too close to the edge of the counter when he's doing dishes and he knocks them off the counter. so i hear the smash and go into the kitchen to find him and his friend looking back at me. (his friend looked scared) and i said, "oh well, get a broom before you step on any of those pieces and cut yourself... oh and son, for now on please remember to place those cups further in on the counter... that way they won't get knocked off" now he started getting a little mouthy (he is almost 13 after all and in front of his buddy LOL) and i said to him very calmly, "hold on a second... you just broke my cup, that i paid for, and i'm asking you to be more careful in the future... i would hope you'd be happy that i'm not upset and yelling at you - but instead you are getting mouthy? if you'd like i can react differently."

he immediately closed his mouth and cleaned up the mess.

if necc. i always remind them that i can choose to parent differently, but instead i prefer to treat them like equals. i can, at any time, change that parenting strategy if they wish. that always snaps them back into reality LOL

Wow! These kids are out of control. People arrest them and do every thing that they can but it just doesn't work. There was something simalar at a school close to mine,it was 2 kids who were going to bomb the school(middle)and they had 2 guns in thier lockers and was arested immediately.

back when I was in middle school someone called all the local radio stations and when they were on the air said they were going to blow up our school. They locked us down and then moved us a few hundred feet away into the k-3 school. SO we basically sat in their little gym (all the students from the school) for the entire day and nothing happened.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I love watching that TV show, The Nanny i think it is..i can't remembet the name, but a british "nanny" comes in and points out all of the things that parents are doing wrong and usually by the end of the show the children are acting somewhat normal...it's amazing what taking away privileges do to children :)

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Haha, yup, those TV nannies use a lot of the same methods I use, and they really work well.

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Originally Posted by jotay

Gosh, seems everyone on here has made a valid good point.


As a very last resort when my son was young I would spank him, one day he said to me he was gonna called child services, so I handed him the phone and told him soon as he hung up go pack his clothes cause he was leaving w/ them when thay came. I never heard another peep.
Sometimes we as parents need to remind children who is in charge.

I feel for parents everywhere as these are troubling times indeed.

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Remember doing that with Lars. Last time the problem came up. Except family services did show up and I told them either I discipline him or they take him right now.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

i believe a lot of the changes are happening (when it comes to how kids are growing up) because both parents are working. so many babies are in daycare... with multiple day care workers as their daily role models. think about it, you have a baby and some person making minimum wage who you don't even really know if teaching your child what is right and wrong. it's pretty scarey! society needs to change, to make allowances for moms (or dads) to stay at home and parent/raise their children instead of turning their kids into jobs for others.

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I agree with you on this, to a point. I don't actually think it's the fault of parents working or daycare, I think the problems start when working parents stop daycare to save money. So the kids become latchkey kids instead of being supervised after school. But of course, not all latchkey kids become criminals, so there must be other factors involved.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

ah yes....but there was once a time when parents were abled to enforce disiplinary action on their own child. Now, a spanking to put a child it its place is considered "abusive" and parents are being imprisoned for "abuse"...kids think they run the world now because maw and paw can't givem some of that good ol' "put you in your place hand across the face because i'm the boss not you" disipline.

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I AGREE. I think physical discipline IS VERY important because I know for alot of kids, stuff like grounding, etc, taking away material things, IS NOTHING compared to a good ole' smack upside the head.