Did I end up getting a female pastel from the tampa show?

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

My rats i have to stun. they are VERY nasty. I dont want my babies getting ate up. I place mine in a paper bag and knock the bag on the wall. (with mice this will kill them) they are very limp but still breathing. but i only do that for Baby because he like is food still breathing. every one else gets P/K or F/T

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I have a few that like to do the dive and kill way, they get up high as far as they can and jump on it.....but I can say I will not stun there food.
I work to hard to feed and care for the mice/rats and treat them humainly to crak there sculls on the wall.

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

My rats i have to stun. they are VERY nasty. I dont want my babies getting ate up. I place mine in a paper bag and knock the bag on the wall. (with mice this will kill them) they are very limp but still breathing. but i only do that for Baby because he like is food still breathing. every one else gets P/K or F/T

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What goes around comes around, I guess...

Sorry, I just have the utmost respect for the role feeders play in our hobby. Without them, we don't have squat.

ha ha ha
EDIT the "ha ha ha" was for Adam

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I don't agree at all. Ball pythons by nature are ambush predators and are acutely designed to nailing rodents with plenty of "environmental interference." They are very in tune with their surroundings, and altering their surroundings (by removing the snake from them) may cause their feeding response to turn off.

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I completey agree ... a bare cage is the absolute worst way to feed live to a ball python ... no cover for the snake to protect it's body, no point of ambush, no place to the rat to try and hide to feel safe ... stress for the snake, stress for the rodent ... that's the type of situation where bad things can happen.

As far as feeding in the cage or out of the cage ... who cares, I sure don't ... if your ball python will eat GREAT! ... but, if you're telling people that feeding inside of the cage will make (or has a chance to make) your ball python more aggressive ... you're a tool ... anyone with any real experience with these animals can easily prove otherwise ... feed how you want, but don't promote the horrible myths that exist in this hobby that lead a lot of new keepers down the wrong road of frustration.

Please note, my opinions are only related to BALL PYTHONS!!!

Also, if you're making up tall tales and posting them on a message board to make yourself look important, you're a tool as well (just thought I'd add that one cause I like it) :D

-adam

I like Tool :D But not tools....:mad:

With my rats, Im thankful for have breedable rats not but each is so agressive that I have no other way of feeding them to my snakes. I dont know what this rat breeder did to theis rats but they see a snake and they stand up to the snake a try to bite it. my other boy is being treated for a nasty bite on the nose. he will only eat if the rat comes up to his nose then he strikes. well the rat came up to his nose and took a chunk out of him... poor boy.

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I completey agree ... a bare cage is the absolute worst way to feed live to a ball python ... no cover for the snake to protect it's body, no point of ambush, no place to the rat to try and hide to feel safe ... stress for the snake, stress for the rodent ... that's the type of situation where bad things can happen.

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This is good stuff...and I would use that concept as sufficient to "take a stance" that feeding in a seperate container is best kept for the short-bus keepers. But maybe I don't know 100 either!

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

I like Tool :D

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I just might have a new quote for my sig. :love:

-adam

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

and I would use that concept as sufficient to "take a stance" that feeding in a seperate container is best kept for the short-bus keepers.

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I don't care so much about that ... what works for one, might not work for others ... as long as the snake is eating ... BFD (that's big, deal, and something else for the slow ones).

There are just so many BS myths in this hobby that get circulated and re-circulated by people that don't even have the experience to know if what they're talking about is even true ... that's what I will stand up on my soap box over ... not the way someone chooses to care for their animal if it's working for them.

-adam

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

With my rats, Im thankful for have breedable rats not but each is so agressive that I have no other way of feeding them to my snakes. I dont know what this rat breeder did to theis rats but they see a snake and they stand up to the snake a try to bite it. my other boy is being treated for a nasty bite on the nose. he will only eat if the rat comes up to his nose then he strikes. well the rat came up to his nose and took a chunk out of him... poor boy.

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Do you think the fact that your snakes are being bitten by so-called aggressive rats and those of us that feed live, inside their enclosures never have any bites, has ANYTHING to do with the method of feeding that YOU are practicing? I mean, just step outside of everything for a second and take a look at it. I think that you viewing the rats as overly aggressive is clouding your perception on what the problem actually could be.