do ball pythons dig/burrow.

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Originally Posted by MontyNSpike

Why are you always such an ass to me? Did I offend you in some way?
Show me this care sheet that says feed ball python's crickets! And, show me evidence that ball pythons DON'T burrow, again, how hard can it be? It took me 2 min. to find sites that say ball python's burrow. The only one against it is your comment that they don't. :rolleyes: So why don't you get a clue, and show me the sites that say they don't burrow any MAYBE I'll believe you. You may have 25 + years experience with ball pyhons, but that doesn't mean that I don't know what I am talking about... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Calm down skippy ... my mistake, you're obviously an expert and I know nothing.

ROCK ON! :carrot:

-adam

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Originally Posted by MontyNSpike

You may have 25 + years experience with ball pyhons, but that doesn't mean that I don't know what I am talking about...

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Sorry, but given the choice between trusting the advice of someone with 25+ years of Ball experience and hundreds of Balls or someone with one Ball named Monty and the ability to type "Burrowing Balls" in google... I'm going to have to pick door #1. :2cent:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=2


This link, specifically page 15 explains their use of burrows. Also has other good info. Their is also a video documentary of this study available on the net. Poor video/audio quality but it was interesting to watch...

MontyNSpike, why don't you show us evidence they do burrow? After all, you have google.video don't you? If they do indeed burrow, it is very likely that someone has filmed it. Also, tell me what natural tools a bp could realisticly burrow with without it taking an age.

MontyNSpike doesn't need to come up with any so called "evidence" because there simply isn't any. Nothing short of a scientific, peer-reviewed, published article in a legitimate biology journal on a new study concerning the "burrowing" behavior of ball pythons in the wild will support his arguement. A website from some random "scientist is NOT a reliable source. The observations he is making may be legitimate, but they do not come close to providing sufficient evidence to overcome scientific classification.

Video, pictures, sketches, WHATEVER, it doesn't matter. You guys are totally ignorant to the fact that whether or not an animal is a "burrowing" animal is classified as such comes from studies done by reputable sources over many many years of study- and not some idiot observing his ball python dig underneath his waterbowl.

[SACRASM] No, I am the one that knows nothing because I only have one Ball Python and his name is Monty. So freakin what! Because I only have one ball python limits my ability to have any more knowledge about them? I'm sorry that I voiced my opinions and several people saw it as wrong and critizied me with their years of experience and millions of ball pythons that they breed and look after and sell and all that good stuff. [/SARCASM] Now seriously, the sites that I looked up after yahooing I thought were credible because they are/were supposed to be written by people that have some knowledge about the subject they are writing about. I still haven't seen any evidence that they don't burrow, I just see people telling me to prove to them that they do burrow and I keep asking evidence that they don't! And I still want to see this care sheet that says to feed ball pythons crickets, that sounds like an interesting read. I hope to continue this discussion later as I must depart for class. Until then, I'm sorry if I caused any problems with people, that was not my intention.

Brian, the problem is that you came on this thread stating that we shouldn't question your knowledge about Balls and that you may know more than people that have years of experience keeping hundreds of these critters.

You back up this claim by producing three links that supposedly state Ball Pythons burrow. However, if you just took the time to read the entire pages on those links you would notice that they are not very credible or they don't support your claim at all. If you notice the first link, it mentions that Ball Python eggs take 75-80 days to incubate and that they received their common name because of the way they curl up tight and hide away in their burrows, when actually they received this name because of the way they ball up as a defense mechanism.

The second link states that you can turn off your basking light at night and the temps could drop down to 68F. :rolleyes:

Finally, the last link simply stated that they "hole up in burrows" but doesn't mention anything about them actually digging the burrows themselves.

A legitimate link has already been provided stating that "Royal pythons were found in rat burrows and termite mounds.", however that, in addition to the people on this site with much more experience than you or I, does not seem sufficient enough to convince you.

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Originally Posted by MontyNSpike

I still haven't seen any evidence that they don't burrow.

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Did you take the time to read the Ball Python Field Study by Gorzula, Nsiah, and Oduro posted by sho220 above or are you just running your jimmie holster because you like the sound of your own voice? It provides just as much if not more evidence that ball pythons don't burrow (but do take advantage of the abondoned burrows of other animals) than the "care sheets" that you posted. Not to mention it was an actual study of these animals in the wild written by three very capable PHds with backgrounds in biology. I would think that most logical minds would conclude that an official field study conducted by professional biologists with advanced degrees trounces a care sheet posted on "petstation.com" every single day of the week.

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Originally Posted by MontyNSpike

I keep asking evidence that they don't

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Well, since you like to call links to information posted on internet websites "evidence", you have the field study above and here's a second link to an article on a semi popular ball breeders website specifically discussing ball pythons and burrowing ...

http://www.8ballpythons.com/journal/...sburrowing.htm

That should be all the evidence you need. ;)

-adam

How about some head shots of snake species that ARE known burrowers - then look for some common traits (face it their faces are all they have to dig with) - compare to BP's . . . unscientific yes, sure and granted - but a burrowing snake should have the physiological tools to get the job done you'd think . . .

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

http://www.8ballpythons.com/journal/...sburrowing.htm

That should be all the evidence you need. ;)

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Can I plagiarize that, or do you want credit? :sweeet: