Den site destroyed - all snakes killed

ok u guys win i understand where you all are comin from and it is a sad day for a herper and yea you do have to educate people but alot of times people will listen and not really take heed of what your saying and just blow it off like it was nothing which is how i see those people in this case im not sayin it to others who afterwards go o S#$% did i do something wrong those are the ones u know u can eduate the ones that think about it and realize it was a bad idea not the ones that are hard headed they will never learn least thats how it is in my opinion and yes flyers are a good idea and i'm all for the flyers so sorry bout he violent out break earlier its just it pisses me off alot because animals are pretty much my life i like rescuing animals i would take more in but i cant no more room at my house or my friends house and im also a real big enviormentalist i know this has nothing to do with nothing but it does in the end ok im done and once again sorry about the violence

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Originally Posted by Monty

ok u guys win i understand where you all are comin from and it is a sad day for a herper and yea you do have to educate people but alot of times people will listen and not really take heed of what your saying and just blow it off like it was nothing which is how i see those people in this case im not sayin it to others who afterwards go o S#$% did i do something wrong those are the ones u know u can eduate the ones that think about it and realize it was a bad idea not the ones that are hard headed they will never learn least thats how it is in my opinion and yes flyers are a good idea and i'm all for the flyers so sorry bout he violent out break earlier its just it pisses me off alot because animals are pretty much my life i like rescuing animals i would take more in but i cant no more room at my house or my friends house and im also a real big enviormentalist i know this has nothing to do with nothing but it does in the end ok im done and once again sorry about the violence

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Originally Posted by Monty

ok u guys win i understand where you all are comin from and it is a sad day for a herper and yea you do have to educate people but alot of times people will listen and not really take heed of what your saying and just blow it off like it was nothing which is how i see those people in this case im not sayin it to others who afterwards go o S#$% did i do something wrong those are the ones u know u can eduate the ones that think about it and realize it was a bad idea not the ones that are hard headed they will never learn least thats how it is in my opinion and yes flyers are a good idea and i'm all for the flyers so sorry bout he violent out break earlier its just it pisses me off alot because animals are pretty much my life i like rescuing animals i would take more in but i cant no more room at my house or my friends house and im also a real big enviormentalist i know this has nothing to do with nothing but it does in the end ok im done and once again sorry about the violence

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I can totally understandy your frustration and anger. However, if you choose to act upon it and commit an act of violence you will end up in jail obviously. How would that help the animals or the environment which are your life? They now have one less person to speak for them and would be worse off due to your actions.

Like I said earlier, I understand your passion and I'm sure I would feel the same way about anyone who would kill an animal. But if you choose to act upon those feelings, it becomes more about you than saving or educating about the animals/environment in general. Violence will not solve your problem. Put those feelings to better use and write letters or publish articles or just talk your heart out to people who are afraid/ignorant about the facts! :)

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Originally Posted by SPJ

One of the people on my road (about 4 houses up) stumbled upon a den site yesterday of garters. Juvies and adults. Her and her husband killed almost 100 snakes. They had a garbage bag full of dead snakes this morning. They actually thought that by showing this to me, I would give them a pat on the back and say great job. What morons.
When I asked them why they would do something so terrible, the response was, the snakes were growling at them, trying to kill them, and chasing them into the house. I said why didn't you call me or walk down the road and I would have relocated them (they know I do it since other neighbors have asked for relocations). Their reasoning was they didn't want them to come back and try and kill their kids.
I really hate people like this. Snakes do not growl. They will not chase you into your house. And above all, they will NOT come back for revenge.
The other neighbors now think the better way to deal with snakes is to kill them on the spot rather than relocate them. This way they will never return.
I really wish there was an animal cruelty law that could be used. I called the state officials today and was told since it was not a timber rattler, and I didn't witness it, there was nothing they could do about it.
WTH. Doesn't anyone care that hundreds of snakes were just butchered out of ingnorance and fear?
This really ticked me off today. I never really cared too much for these people but now I despise them.
My other neighbors are not much better.
The new motto is kill the snakes instead of relocating them.

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i haven't read this thread... (as i'm sick and can't focus for that long right now) but i just want to say how sad this makes me... i'm going to go cry for the snakes now :(

im sorry bout all the one sentence long posts. its my style of writing ive writin like that all though high school even book reports. and the way i wrote them it was just all flowing and i just love writing i just dont remember the puncuation. so once again i will work on my puncuation. its just when yout teachers and stuff think its a unique way of writing and they don't stop it it just stays with you. so i will try and puncuate more.

ok now that thats done about my violence i have a really bad bi-polar disorder. i was in my violent person because i hadnt taken my meds. that day i woke up late and wasnt feelin good and i had a temp later that day the temp went down and i took my meds but since i missed a dose it didnt really do anything.

now on to the killing of the snake den it's not right and those people should be educated about things like that like i said before the flyers are a good idea and going to schools and educating the kids is also a good thing to do so that way the ingnorance will stop. it just sucks to lose a whole ecosystem like that.

UPDATE:


I just a call at work from my wife. This woman stopped by the house today and asked if I would remove all of the snakes from her yard tonight.

She has seen another one today (this time she says it's a copperhead but I doubt she can ID any snake) and her and her husband are afraid to go after this one since they are "poisonous" and "can kill you right away by spitting the poison at you". OMG. Talk about uneducated about snakes.

I agreed to go tonight with a few bags and a hook. I plan on relocating every snake I find.

It would be nice to find a copperhead though since they haven't been seen around here for years. At least I'll know there are some left and not all were killed or forced out by the new developments.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Maybe this will be the beginning of the end for killing snakes from these people. Hopefully, there wll be at least a garter there so I can handle it and show them that even though they are wild, they are not evil (won't be freehandling if it is in fact a copperhead though:D .)

No worries monty.


SPJ - there are still copperheads in CT, so if this turns out to be a den for copperheads, please don't tell anyone, since they aren't doign that well in CT. Not because i think people on this forum are bad, but people passing through just looking may see the post and think it is a good idea to have them have as little publicity as possible. ;)
Good luck with the catch and release, people learn best (i think) with hands on experience. Give it a try as long as its not the copperhead!:eek:

wildlifewarrior

Wow, just read this whole thread... I can't imagine such ignorance. But now I know what "Hick-ory" flavouring is all about. I didn't think it'd be so prevalent in CT though!

Garter dens have become real tourist attractions in Ontario. Even senior citizens remark at how beautiful and amazing hordes of garters can be. Though I can only imagine if my vision was failing and all I saw was a blurry writhing mass of green everywhere I stepped... bad acid trip!

Good luck with the relocations. I wish we had native herps to relocate if needed!

One last thing: while I wouldn't wish PETA on my worst enemy, except I would wish PETA on PETA, I'm sure a sensational case of animal cruelty, particularly against wild animals, would get them interested. If you really want action... go for the nuts!

i bet if i came over there and killed them with my shovel and told the police the story they told you. id be in the crazy house. like were the only living things around.

after reading that i can honestly say im ashamed to share the same species with these F:cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:rs