Mojave prices

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Or, Low prices means that other people(sellers) are going to drop theirs(prices) down in fear that no one will buy the animals they've invested in(because they're going to the person with the lowest prices). Its not actually people freaking out because they were 'naive' and thought they could get 'rich' its people upset that others could flounder an investment over stupid business practices. That's what gets some people upset that others are under cutting them which is poor business and correct me if im wrong- illegal in some forms of practice.

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how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

What would everyone think if Pete Khal or RD or NERD priced their Pieds for $2500 next year?

Would we still see this anger/panic from the BP community?
Would everyone call them scammers all of a sudden?
Would the BP community accuse them of dumping or praise them?
Would the public bash and ban them or rush to buy a few Pieds for $2500?
Would it be perceived as a good thing or bad?

Just curious...

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My thoughts are NO ... people won't bash NERD etc. Pieds have always been a well sort after ball. And they are coming down in price. $3,750 will get you a male!

So a $1,250 price drop in 12 months..... is not likely on those being they are recessive.

Back to Mojaves, what would you pair up with a Mojave if given the chance? Mojave balls themselves are coming down in price. Rather then joing that, what would you breed to a mojave... there are some nice combos!

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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A stupid biz practice is one similar to what he pulled by under cutting and... sorry, wrong term... dumping on a market. He may of gained 40K or whatever it was, but they may well of alienated themselves by trashing so many other people in the process, both previous customers and businesses. That makes for a stupid buisness decision.

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth-and then to know that this will inturn ruin your business for serious and dedicated customers and mess you up in the long run then, yes, it is a good business plan. The simple fact that he sold out this year, good. Great. Next year? No. It was a poor, poor decision.

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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He sold 50 mojaves for $800 when he could have sold 50 mojaves for $900-$1000. Their profit could have been $5000-$10,000 more profit easily...that is $5000-$10000 that they 'lost'. To not sell your items for what they are worth and miss out on earning potential is 'stupid business'.

Who wants $40000 when you could have $50000 just as easy???

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Originally Posted by shhhli

If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth-and then to know that this will inturn ruin your business for serious and dedicated customers and mess you up in the long run then, yes, it is a good business plan. The simple fact that he sold out this year, good. Great. Next year? No. It was a poor, poor decision.

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First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

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Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations......double homozygous...triple homozygous....quadruple homozygous...ball pythons are just scratching the surface.....rare animals demand rare prices.....mojave, spider, and pastel prices are down.....buy a mojave male and a spider female and breed them.....not too many spiderxmojaves out there, right? or you could even throw a recessive in the mix.....ever seen a mojavexstripe...nope?....get to work and pick you up a mojave and some genetic stripe hets ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Back on topic....

Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations......double homozygous...triple homozygous....quadruple homozygous...ball pythons are just scratching the surface.....rare animals demand rare prices.....mojave, spider, and pastel prices are down.....buy a mojave male and a spider female and breed them.....not too many spiderxmojaves out there, right? or you could even throw a recessive in the mix.....ever seen a mojavexstripe...nope?....get to work and pick you up a mojave and some genetic stripe hets ;)

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Well said, Daniel! :sweeet:

Personally...my interest in morphs is purely selfish...in that, I see beautiful snakes that I want to own! :P The fact that many of the moprhs I love cost thousands of dollars just goes to show I have expensive taste. I plan on enjoying the challenge of gathering all these beauties into my collection one way or another. If the prices of some drop...that means I may be getting some sooner than I thought possible. If they stay expensive, then I'll breed my own and sell extra babies for more money to buy more snakes.

I DO hope the market stays strong enough, overall, for me to have fun making extra money working with animals I LOVE. But I'm not going to fret over the price of any particular morph. I don't have plans or hopes of "getting rich" off ball pythons. But even if I did, I would try to take into account that a market like this is going to fluctuate and change year to year...and one must be ready to roll with the punches.

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Originally Posted by JLC

I DO hope the market stays strong enough, overall, for me to have fun making extra money working with animals I LOVE. But I'm not going to fret over the price of any particular morph. I don't have plans or hopes of "getting rich" off ball pythons. But even if I did, I would try to take into account that a market like this is going to fluctuate and change year to year...and one must be ready to roll with the punches.

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There will always be someone wanting to buy!

Breeding different low end cost morphs together can produce some decent cost morphs, that's the nice thing. Your not limited to just producing more of the same.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

My thoughts are NO ... people won't bash NERD etc. Pieds have always been a well sort after ball. And they are coming down in price. $3,750 will get you a male!

So a $1,250 price drop in 12 months..... is not likely on those being they are recessive.

Back to Mojaves, what would you pair up with a Mojave if given the chance? Mojave balls themselves are coming down in price. Rather then joing that, what would you breed to a mojave... there are some nice combos!

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Let me rephrase that, if they did what MKR did with Mojaves and Lessers, how would it have been perceived?