Kingsnake "Rip-off of the Day!"

i see you are in nj, try to go to the next white plains herp show in ny. introduce yourself to guys like oz, (ozzyboids), joe, (joe compel reptiles), ian g., (outback reptiles), etc. they can give a first hand crash course in some morphs and oddballs.



vaughn

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Originally Posted by jbkd

In the corn snake world it is pretty clear when a new ‘type’ is developed. But you also get those that make up names for things that don’t exist just to have something different……… like the snake pictured in this ad.

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I don't think it's any different in the Ball Python world. Most morphs are very obvious with the exception of the Yellow Belly. However, Ball morphs are relatively new and a lot of people hope to find a new morph by selecting a normal with different markings and proving them out. That's where people will look for reduced patterns, stripes, clear bellies and even spots on the nose. You might get lucky and come across a het for something special that has a unique marker like the Spotnose. However, it's more common to just find a cool snake that might be genetic like one with a stripe, black back, or a reduced pattern.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I don't think it's any different in the Ball Python world. Most morphs are very obvious with the exception of the Yellow Belly. However, Ball morphs are relatively new and a lot of people hope to find a new morph by selecting a normal with different markings and proving them out. That's where people will look for reduced patterns, stripes, clear bellies and even spots on the nose. You might get lucky and come across a het for something special that has a unique marker like the Spotnose. However, it's more common to just find a cool snake that might be genetic like one with a stripe, black back, or a reduced pattern.

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On my other post, I was asking why there is such a price difference on normals, prices are all over the place. And some of the strange names folks are calling normals. Besides stripes and yellow bellies are there any other patterns that are dom or rec?

BTW, I did not mean to 'hi-jack' this thread, but I have a lot interest in this, as we plan to build our colony over the next few months. My corn & milk projects are just about mature at this point.

Ha. Jason wants $6K for that snake.

He was offering me imports for $8 a head a few months ago.
If it looks any different that the typical BP pattern, then it's labeled a morph nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he got that one in for less than $50.

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Originally Posted by jbkd

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post in the ‘morph’ section. For someone like me who is just getting into BP’s , what markings make a good snake?????? What are breeders striving for??? Like the one answer I got ‘if you like it and are willing to pay for it, it does not matter’. This is true, to an extant.



If I was total new comer to the snake world, I might look at that ad and wonder why other normals sell so cheap…..



In the corn snake world it is pretty clear when a new ‘type’ is developed. But you also get those that make up names for things that don’t exist just to have something different……… like the snake pictured in this ad.

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Get yourself a copy of NERDs, The complete ball python.... excellant book!

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Ha. Jason wants $6K for that snake.

He was offering me imports for $8 a head a few months ago.
If it looks any different that the typical BP pattern, then it's labeled a morph nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he got that one in for less than $50.

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I guarentee Jason did not pay more them $50 for it lol.

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Originally Posted by jbkd

On my other post, I was asking why there is such a price difference on normals, prices are all over the place. And some of the strange names folks are calling normals. Besides stripes and yellow bellies are there any other patterns that are dom or rec?

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Be careful with stripes....there are stripes which are just abnormal normals and there are Genetic stripes.....genetic stripes look nothing like those abnormal normals.

Ball python mutations are funny when talking about 'pattern' or 'color' mutation since most morphs vary off the normal ball python in both color and pattern. A mojave or cinny may be a color mutation in some people's views but their patterns' are also very different than normals. Spiders and Pinstripes may be considered a pattern mutation but they are very different in color than normals. The best thing to do is look at pictures of everything to get a good perception of whats out there....even compare the morph pictures to normals.

Here are some great websites to check out ball python morphs:

NERD-they have great genetics pages also
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ball_gallery.html

Exotics by Nature-great looking snakes and great comparision photos
http://www.ballpythonmorphs.com/photos.html

8 Ball Python-great collection of ball pythons
http://www.8ballpythons.com/collection.htm

Markus Jayne Reptiles-great photos and site from a Canadian breeder
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection.html

a few more to check out...
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ven_traits.asp
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/collection.htm
http://www.vpi.com/4VPIInventory/VPI...ry(1Jan02).htm

[QUOTE=jbkd]On my other post, I was asking why there is such a price difference on normals, prices are all over the place. And some of the strange names folks are calling normals. Besides stripes and yellow bellies are there any other patterns that are dom or rec?

Daniel gave a lot of great links. There are a lot of morphs out there, and the best place to learn about them is on the BIG breeders sites. People will often find something different and label it as a new morph before it's proven, or will breed out a so-so looking morph and give it a jazzy name. The best thing to do is browse the big breeder sites or check out all the picks on forums such as this one and KS, then decide which one you like the best and work towards that goal. Don't be duped into "getting in on the ground floor" from a Jimmy with a slightly different looking CH Ball that they just picked up for $10. Some normal Balls will fetch a higher price depending on how they look whether they're a reduced pattern, stripe, etc. but they shouldn't cost much more than a normal.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

yea man. haven't you seen the Dodge comericals. It's got a hemi. :carrot:


LOL

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Lol... :P I know, but $5000 is still a steep difference.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

i see you are in nj, try to go to the next white plains herp show in ny. introduce yourself to guys like oz, (ozzyboids), joe, (joe compel reptiles), ian g., (outback reptiles), etc. they can give a first hand crash course in some morphs and oddballs.

vaughn

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All of them go to that show! Well dang now instead of moving to MD to haunt Adam and Ralph I need to instead move to NJ to be close to all that BP coolness LOL.

Oh and I keep forgetting to say this....love the new avatar Vaughn!