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I would advise not to listen to a word comming from someone that says"ball pythons never get RI :rolleyes: .Also its obvious the only reason you joined this forum was to try and slam the members here that DO know the proper temps for ball pythons :cool: .Now everyone get along or i will release one of my killer blood thirsty corn snakes :P . Just so no one is confused who i am speaking to here its JS.

I never said they don't get RI. I'm sure they do. I said I've never seen one with one even after over 20 years and 1000 or so in on rescue over the years. Hot rock burns, infected burns from brush fires (that's how they catch them in africa...burn them out) rat bites, starvation, cat maulings, a fan injury, you name it, I've seen it..and dealt with...except RI. Boas and burms, amazons and emeralds...plenty of RIs..what sucks is dealing with rattlesnakes with RI...I've dealt with plenty of RIs ..just never a ball python...hardy little buggers they are.

I figured someone would pipe in and report how their ball pythons all stay on that 93 degree hotside all the time. That was pretty predictable. Maybe someday you will care more about the animals than being in the hooya crowd and take a peek at the truth.

BTW, just because someone gets in the business of breeding something and selling it doesn't make them the all knowing reptile gods. NERD is an especially bad source for information. That's all I really have to say about that unless someone wants specifics.

Anyway, I didn't come here to pick a fight. I came here because I was being misquoted by some kiddy little net troll that resides here and hoped to shed light on some widespread ignorance. Enjoy your animals....hopefully one day you guys will learn to care for them properly. Peace out.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

BTW, just because someone gets in the business of breeding something and selling it doesn't make them the all knowing reptile gods. NERD is an especially bad source for information. That's all I really have to say about that unless someone wants specifics.

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ok, i NEED specifics. :O :giggle: :zerb:

I do what works for me JS. You're not worth talking to. I've met your kind many times before. You are the only one who knows what he's doing. You're a legend in your own mind. How can you tell me that my snakes don't want to be warm when they stay on the warm side? Do they not know what they want? Wouldn't it stand to reason that if they wanted to be cooler they would go to the cool side? Go back to your other forum where you are well known as the resident expert. Here we share ideas and there is no one person with all the answers.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Raz...80 for a hot spot is too cool. 4 or 5 degrees makes a huge difference to a cold blooded animal. So it's no shock that your snake is doing better...

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The snake in question was the hognose (being kept at optimum hognose temps of course), not the BP. My BP has NEVER had any problems.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Sorry you feel that way Raz. You seemed like a nice person. We hate to loose you there.

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This really isn't the place to recruit, retain, or promote your site.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

I did not come here to return the favor to JGlass who saw fit to troll our site in a very childish manner, calling names, insulting people etc. No one banned you Mr Glass, You got yourself banned.

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Damnit Jamie! Stop yer trollin, why you always gettin yerself in trouble!? lol... But actually, Mr. Big Squeeze, you DID come here to retaliate and defend yourself. Defending is one thing, name calling is another.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Anyway...I'd like to shed a little light on where I'm coming from with these ball python temps.

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I can hardly wait...

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Ball pythons don't dig heat. They hate it. GO to Africa and find me one ever laying out in the sun. They don't do it.

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How recently were you actually IN Africa, sir? Just wondering if you're speaking from experience... or regurging info as you professed to hate so much.... or maybe you're just making it up....

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

YES! ALL the caresheets say 90s to mid 80s.

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Really?? Cool, they've been updated then? Last year when I was looking around at some of the sites that actually had care sheets, they were VERY outdated. Most said 84 or so on the hot side, and 75 or so on the cool side with night time drops, and all that nonsense.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Climb down a dirt hole and check the temps! Its not in the 90s.

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Ever been to a pit BBQ? Do you think there's a reason people actually cook meat underground? Have you ever lived on the equator, or near it?

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

The earth wasn't flat before Christopher Columbus proved it was round.

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And BP's were not Emerald Boas before several breeders that keep million dollar collections decided through their own trial and error that lead them to keep them at those temps that you say are cooking our snakes and making them so unhappy.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Give it a try. It's not going to kill your ball pythons if they don't have a 94 basking spot for a week.

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This is about the only thing that you've said that is actually true. It won't kill them. There are many different ways to keep these animals. Hot, cold, cooler, warmer, On/Off Stats, Proportional, Live, F/T, P/K, Maternal Incubation, Manual Incubation, together, separate, loose in your basement, secure in small tight tubs.... But all of the evidence that several people went through before us lead to the "best" and "most beneficial" way to keep these animals... and I haven't heard one thing from any of your posts that supports any of these findings.

In short, here's my thinking....

I have quite a bit of time and money invested in my collection. There is NO ANIMALin my collection that I would "experiment" with. From my most expensive morph, to a normal male.... They're all my kids, they're all special, they're all healthy, they all feed, they all shed normally (with some exceptions) and its not worth it to me to go out on a whim and try to prove someone's agenda for them.

There are many people out there that started keeping BP's long before I even thought about touching a snake, let alone owning one. They've all been through this trial and error for me. They've put the time in and effort so that I don't have to do experimentation at the levels that you're suggesting. Other things that have not been tried yet, on the other hand, I will try. I'll try, and fail... try and succeed. When I have data to support what I'm testing, I'll share it with others so that they don't have to go through the same testing and risk their own collection.

To me, you're just like the people that say that the two snakes they've been keeping together for years are "happy" together... and when people say that there can be horrible problems with keeping multiple snakes together, they dispute it and say their two snakes are living perfectly fine together... and WHAMMO, one of them eats the other one... or one gets sick and infects the other.... or any other host of problems.

Let me ask you this... You suggest to try lowering our temps to make our snakes better eaters... How would it make you feel if even a TENTH of the people reading this thread were to do what you suggest, and even a TENTH of those got a sick snake from it? I'm sure you would deny it was anything that you suggested that caused the illness, but would you want that on your conscience?

Lastly, welcome to BP.Net... We all love a good debate... we also all stand by our members as trusted contributors, and our mods/admins as leadership that knows their place and doesn't over-moderate it's users. The cross-forum bickering agenda has to stop. If you'd like to debate some of your beliefs, so be it.. I'm sure you'll get lots of takers.... but name calling is not required, nor is promoting the forum that specializes in another species all together.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Give it a try. It's not going to kill your ball pythons if they don't have a 94 basking spot for a week. Turn it down to 85 and let the cool side drop into the high 70s. You will notice they still stay on the cool side most of the time but will go bask...thermoregulation is a good thing :) Staying in one spot all the time because they have to avoid being baked is a bad thing. Try it. :) It's not like I've got some plot going to kill everybody's ball pythons. The people that defended my views on this at RTB only did so because I convinced them to try it and what do you know? Their nonfeeding ball pythons are now all worry free and doing great. Why? overheating them kills their gut flora (beneficial bacteria needed to digest food) If that goes and add a little stress..they ain't eating. Once that's all corrected, ball pythons are among the least of worries on feeding day, year around. I haven't had a ball python in my care skip a single meal in YEARS after being kept at proper temps for a couple of weeks.

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No thanks! Mine are kept at 92-94 on the warm side, 82-84 on the cool side as recommended by the top ball breeders. Mine thermoregulate, do NOT just hang out on the cool side, spend equal times in both - and guess what? Haven't skipped a meal.

If it's not broke, why should I fix it? In fact, the only one that fasted for me this year was the one in a glass viv that had temps that were closer to the temps that you recommend and he never left his warm side hide. Now that he's in a tub set up with proper temps that I use on all of mine, he's thermoregulating and eating again. Imagine that!

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

BTW, just because someone gets in the business of breeding something and selling it doesn't make them the all knowing reptile gods. NERD is an especially bad source for information. That's all I really have to say about that unless someone wants specifics.

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I'm sorry, and you are??? Just because someone runs a forum doesn't make them the all knowing reptile gods either.

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

Damnit Jamie! Stop yer trollin, why you always gettin yerself in trouble!? lol...

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I can't help it! I think I was born under a bridge so it's my destiny...Its funny that JS talks about the hooya crowd (whatever that means). He runs a board where the members hang on his every word whether he is talking about BP temps or the dangers of live feeding. Its kind of sad that people can't form their own opinions and he LOVES that. Its great to be king..of nothing...

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm sorry, and you are??? Just because someone runs a forum doesn't make them the all knowing reptile gods either.

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Robin,

You don't know who he is!? For shame woman!! :D