Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
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Originally Posted by Lauren
thanks so much for your advice :) i will keep you updated on both of them
That's great! Sorry for hijacking your thread. :oops: The people here are pretty good at doling out great advice, so don't feel shy about asking questions. :colbert2:
Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
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Originally Posted by Lauren
my vet just analyzed her health problems.
Exactly, which is why when you posted ...
"ooo... another question... how long do i wait before i forcefeed again? is there a body weight percentage loss i should look for?"
I suggested that your vet would be a far better source for help with that question than strangers on the net that have never seen the animal.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
.. i didnt talk to him about housing because i wasnt aware of it being a problem...
Understandable ... many vets "assume" that their clients have the basics covered ... mistake on his/her part for not asking ... but not uncommon.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
plus its good to get input from people that have had lots of experience keeping snakes as pets on these matters
Well, this is the internet and you don't really know any of these people ... how do you really know how much or how little experience anyone responding to your posts has? .... There are tons of "overnight experts" on the internet that have had a snake for 4 weeks and have read a bunch of message board posts and instantly start giving advice about anything and everything.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
.... to some vets they are just patients and cash in their pockets but to us they are companions....
I have to disagree ... Vets go through years and years of schooling and pay big bucks for it and in the end make very little money compared to what they could make with the same investment in schooling in another field. The VAST majority do what they do because they love helping animals and people. If you have a vet that you believe cares more about "cash in their pockets" than that is truly unfortunate and I suggest you find a new one.
-adam
Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
ok adam...
im just saying that a vet cant have had ALL the kinds of animals as pets that he sees in the office... so they dont necessarily have first hand experience on keeping snakes as pets... there are just some things about having an animal as a pet that yuo cant experience while studying them....
i like to know people's thoughts on the matter... and thats why im here... i dont necessarily have to take all of the advice given ...
no need to get testy about things... you shouldnt ridicule people for asking questions on here... thats what forums are for
thank you to the rest of you for sharing ... it's very much appreciated :D
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I think both of you have good arguments. Vets are experts on the animals, not necessarily animal care. My exotic animal vet seems very skilled at diagnosing problems, but she also mentioned that I should never feed live. I think people that keep many of these animals and especially those that have kept them for a long time are a much better resource regarding husbandry issues than a vet.
On the other hand, Adam makes a good point that you should take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. I've been on other forums where many people will dole out really poor advice, and new snake keepers will eat it up as if it was gospel. Sometimes it's tough to weed out the BS from the good advice, but if you do your research it can be done and eventually you realize who you can trust.
Okay, now group hug. :grouphug:
Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
ooooohhhhhh... Adam got a tongue lashin'.........:P...sorry Adam! had to say that!!;)
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I don't think Adam had any intention of his response being taken as redicule. He was basically asking rhaetorical questions not meant to be direct attacks or anything like that. Asking this:
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how do you really know how much or how little experience anyone responding to your posts has?
is really just another way of saying "be careful with what advice you take because you don't really know the reliability of the source of the information you are being given."
Hope that cools things off....
Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
ok lauren...
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Originally Posted by Lauren
im just saying that a vet cant have had ALL the kinds of animals as pets that he sees in the office... so they dont necessarily have first hand experience on keeping snakes as pets... there are just some things about having an animal as a pet that yuo cant experience while studying them....
No, that's not even remotely close to what you typed. You SAID ...
"to some vets they are just patients and cash in their pockets"
Which is what provoked my polite and poinent response.
Had you actually said ...
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Originally Posted by Lauren
that a vet cant have had ALL the kinds of animals as pets that he sees in the office... so they dont necessarily have first hand experience on keeping snakes as pets... there are just some things about having an animal as a pet that yuo cant experience while studying them....
I would have agreed and not wasted my time.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
i like to know people's thoughts on the matter... and thats why im here... i dont necessarily have to take all of the advice given ...
I understand that ... and I gave my thoughts on this matter ... I think I qualify as someone with a little bit of experience working with ball pythons ... When I offered my thoughts instead of not as you said "necessarily have to take all of the advice given" you instead decided to come back a statement that "some" vets care more about "cash in their pockets" ... I whole heartily disagree and exercised my right as a forum member to voice that disagreement.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
no need to get testy about things.
Not testy at all ... just calling it like I see it ... some people can't handle that.
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Originally Posted by Lauren
.. you shouldnt ridicule people for asking questions on here.
Please show me where I ridiculed you for asking questions. The way I see it, you asked questions, I asked a question to help inform myself and determine the best way to answer your questions, you then came back with a statement that I felt was untrue and completely disagreed with so I responded, and now you decide to back pedal by saying that even though you typed it, you didn't really mean that "to some vets they are just patients and cash in their pockets" but instead what you meant was that a vet cant have had ALL the kinds of animals as pets that he sees in the office... so they dont necessarily have first hand experience on keeping snakes as pets... there are just some things about having an animal as a pet that yuo cant experience while studying them....
Give me a break.
-adam
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... haha wow...
... we're obviously both on the defensive on this one ... i see where you're coming from but i felt like i needed to explain myself more (as did you)... i'm here to help my snake... not argue with you ... so you win
sorry i asked for help
Re: desperate .. new owner in need of help
Don't be sorry to ask for help!! I think this thread has gotten a bit off. I know Adam didn't mean it as an attack on you, he's just known for being direct. This community truely goes out of it's way to help, and Adam is one of the best at this. He'll talk with you for hours to help get you straightened out. I know he's helped me out numerous times, and he's a great guy. (He's also just a bit of a PITA and waaayyy too blunt for his own good - or maybe ours :neener: )
Please feel free to ask any questions that arise, and we'll do our best to answer them.
:grouphug:
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unfortumately the bottom line is they are going to die together maybe not son probablly slowly and painfully they need to be seprated not only will the sicness spread and respread the larger one will always get the better hide or better spot in the heat and thus stress the otler smaller on to the point of not eating also a 10 gallon may be too small for one of them much less both im sorry if this sounds harsh but im jus telling u whats up please seperate them for both their sakes
