Super Spider and other stuff....

Boners? Posers?? ROCK ON??? You'd better get to your doctor fast, Adam... It sounds like you may have a serious case of RDS. It may be untreatable, but at least you could get it looked at man!

...(RDS = Ralph Davis Syndrome)

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Boners? Posers?? ROCK ON??? You'd better get to your doctor fast, Adam... It sounds like you may have a serious case of RDS. It may be untreatable, but at least you could get it looked at man!

...(RDS = Ralph Davis Syndrome)

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FOFLMAO.....thats a good one :D

Wasn't this thread about pastels????.....ha

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Boners? Posers?? ROCK ON??? You'd better get to your doctor fast, Adam... It sounds like you may have a serious case of RDS. It may be untreatable, but at least you could get it looked at man!

...(RDS = Ralph Davis Syndrome)

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Guess my heads still spinning from the New Years eve party! :P ... It was a heck of a good time. ;) :twisted:

-adam

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Randy, you may think yourself to be absolutely perfect, but it's an unrealistic standard to hold other people to.

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I'm far from perfect. If it where me it would take a lot longer than the "super conservative" three years to get babies out of the first females. I've yet to do it in 2 much less make a standard of it.

Of course the big question is why do we even have to guess when the first potential homozygous spiders where bred. I remember seeing the posts in 2004 by a couple smaller breeders who bought potential homozygous spiders that ended up being disproved by the end of the 2004 season. Apparently someone did sell some potential homozygous spiders without taking their time to be absolutely certain they were possible.

That leaves only the question as to if at least one potential homozygous spider has now produced enough only spiders to justify a gut feeling that it is indeed a homozygous spider. Was the report going around that someone actually proved (within 1 in a billion) a homozygous spider 2 hatching seasons ago started by one of those "certain close circle of friends" in the know? No names where mentioned but I trust my source. So of course I'm wondering why, if such a rumor is true, the homozygous spider isn't being claimed. One possible explanation could be that the homozygous spiders are different in some bad way. Maybe they are upside down much more than a regular spider. Maybe the problem even showed up in the first spider X spider breedings as a post it note back in 01 or 02. But if there where some freaks pulled out and hid away in those clutches due to some gut feeling before the remainder was sold as potential homozygous spiders then that is just one more place the customers suffered due to a lack of information.

I don't expect perfection, but even a little disclosure would go a long way toward trust that most mistakes are honest.

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Of course the big question is why do we even have to guess when the first potential homozygous spiders where bred.

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We don't have to guess. Those of us with telephones know. If you want to know, why don't you call Kevin and ask him? Or go over to Kevins forum and post the question? I really don't understand what you're afraid of? You go on and on crying about the lack of information on the spider project, but the resources to get that information are plentiful. Just because the information isn't distributed in a manner that you feel is acceptable doesn't mean it's not available. Why is it that people that don't do things "your way" should be held under scrutiny? What makes "your way" the way that things "should be" done?

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Apparently someone did sell some potential homozygous spiders without taking their time to be absolutely certain they were possible.

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Yes, spiders from spider x spider breedings have been sold. Just like animals from het x normal breeding are sold as "possible" hets. Some of them prove out, some of them don't. The buyers of those possible super spiders knew the deal when they plunked down the cash. Have you actually spoken with anyone that purchased a possible super spider that did not prove? If you did, you would certainly know that they were never promised anything beyond the fact that their animal was produced from a spider x spider breeding. Kevin has always been honest and upfront about the possibility of a super spider being produced. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet that you probably have a copy of his post from kingsnake on the topic stored in a spread sheet somewhere.

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So of course I'm wondering why, if such a rumor is true, the homozygous spider isn't being claimed. One possible explanation could be that the homozygous spiders are different in some bad way. Maybe they are upside down much more than a regular spider. Maybe the problem even showed up in the first spider X spider breedings as a post it note back in 01 or 02. But if there where some freaks pulled out and hid away in those clutches due to some gut feeling before the remainder was sold as potential homozygous spiders then that is just one more place the customers suffered due to a lack of information.

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Why must you be so negative? Why must you start baseless rumors when you don't get your way like a whining little child? Just because you aren't getting the information as quickly as you like? Maybe you're jealous because you're not "in the know"? Kevin McCurley is a good person with an excellent reputation in the business. He has done more for ball pythons than any 100 of the fly by night basement breeders ever will. Why do you think that he would be so dishonest? Why do you think he would do anything to hurt himself or the industry? Do you have some kind of personal vendetta?

Maybe Randy, just maybe there are no conspiracies and no hidden agendas and the truth is that it's just taking a little longer than you would like. Why isn't that good enough for you? Who are you to make claims about what is and isn't not acceptable as far as disclosure of information or the time it takes to prove super spiders on way or the other? It's people like you out there starting rumors and spreading lies about the spider project that are making the people working on super spider be extra cautious about releasing information. You are ruining it for everyone!

Bottom line, if you don't like spiders or you don't like the fact that we have no information about the super spider project DON'T BUY ONE! .... Ball pythons are big business not academia. Breeding projects are done to produce snakes to sell and make money, not for peer review. It's pretty easy to sit back on the porch and throw stones while the people that are risking tens of thousands of dollars and actually doing the work give you something to occupy your time with, but it's really less than honorable to make up rumors because you can't afford the morphs that you drool over everyday and you hope that your false speculation will drive the prices down.

Every time you post, your agenda becomes more and more clear.

-adam

So..... How 'bout those pastels, JT? lol

(Sorry, just trying to steer back on topic... somehow Randy's managed to turn another thread into a discussion about a completely different morph than the one that was questioned in the thread)

I once read an albino thread that got turned into a Pastel/Spider/Co-Dom thread, and now this Pastel thread getting turned into a Spider thread. There's an active Caramel thread... I wonder why he's not in that post talking about Mojave's.

If my agenda is so clear how do you keep missing it? It's the people that are risking tens of thousands of dollars that need the information more than I do. If I eventually get a spider it will probably be far enough down the road that there will not be much left about the morph to discover and publicize. And like you Adam I'm not sure I would want to have to sell a lot of spiders.

And for the record, I didn't bring up spider in this thread. At least I avoided (until now) adding in caramel and woma/pearl, which I believe are also applicable to the current discussion.

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which I believe are also applicable to the current discussion.

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Which discussion is that, the one that's titled "Pastel Question"?

Happy.....I split the thread ;)


Have at it Randy.....Fill us in on everything :)

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(Sorry, just trying to steer back on topic... somehow Randy's managed to turn another thread into a discussion about a completely different morph than the one that was questioned in the thread)

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Public discourse is the very foundation this great country was founded upon. I happen to find these back and forths very informative. Obviously, Randy and Adam have differing views and they both do a very good job of keep things civil.

I say...no blood....no foul.:P