Help, possible PAM poisoning!

hahah i’ve read that can at least a hundred times by now, it only has first aid information for human eye/skin/clothing contact


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Originally Posted by pretzelpretzel

the label says don’t spray in cage with no substrate and i watched some videos where they sprayed it directly onto the substrate.


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I may be wrong, but I think the reason you're supposed to spray it on substrate is that it's oily & doesn't fully dry if sprayed on plastic or glass cage?
Whereas on paper (like most people say they spray it on) it is absorbed into the paper ("substrate") so the snake cannot contact it. :confusd: As I said, I've never used it.

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Originally Posted by pretzelpretzel

hahah i’ve read that can at least a hundred times by now, it only has first aid information for human eye/skin/clothing contact


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Yeah, that figures....:( And I don't think that's "right" either :mad:....humans are much safer using permethrin than reptiles are. (it's used to kill head lice on kids)

Did you bathe him yet? Get him to drink water?

i tried to get him to drink water but he wouldn’t, i think he’s just so hungry(he didn’t eat last week cuz he shed and he didn’t eat this week(he eats monday’s) bc i wanted to get the mites out of the way))i bathed him. other than the occasional neck bump hes acting normal and he feels fine. put him in a different container too. i’ll update this as soon as i get info from or go to the vet!!


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Not sure what people are suppose to conclude from that video, if your snake was suffering from chemical exposure it would spin, stargaze, not be able to right itself up and since this video is not showing a snake in full motion (head to tail shot of the animal moving slithering on a FLAT surface is what you need)

Just no seeing a neurological issue and could not see one if there was one.

i watched him crawl when i removed him from the tank, now just his neck is twitching like this, the rest of him crawling normally. also i watched him to check for signs such as stargazing etc and he was acting totally normal


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Originally Posted by pretzelpretzel

i watched him crawl when i removed him from the tank, now just his neck is twitching like this, the rest of him crawling normally. also i watched him to check for signs such as stargazing etc and he was acting totally normal


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I think & hope it's just a mild exposure & will pass with no lasting harm. I agree that a severe reaction would be as Deborah described, but I also can't think what
else would have caused that "moving lumps" video. Could only offer my "best guess" & logically that points to PAM. 'Nite & best of luck.

I agree with Deborah, it's very hard to see what's going on in that video. It does not look like poisoning to me, I'd expect twitching movements and head wobbles and not being able to move very well.

Not knowing what part of the body that is, it almost looks like a severe heart beat. I know people have talked about seeing that before.

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Originally Posted by Bogertophis

I've never used the stuff as I've not dealt with any snake mites since before this stuff (PAM) was on the market, but my understanding is that
many who treat their cages with it allow them to dry for hours or overnight before introducing the snake back in, to be on the safe side.

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I've used PAM since the early 2000s when I had a mite outbreak and ever since for treating QT. Spray cage and paper substrate, let it dry overnight. I usually put outside or near an open window.
I don't think that's what is causing the issue in the video, but it's really too hard to tell. I do agree 30 min was not enough time to let it dry out though.

OP, I hope your lil one is okay and the vet can tell you what is going on.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

I agree with Deborah, it's very hard to see what's going on in that video. It does not look like poisoning to me, I'd expect twitching movements and head wobbles and not being able to move very well.

Not knowing what part of the body that is, it almost looks like a severe heart beat. I know people have talked about seeing that before.

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i agree w/ April. i've seen this before. it's an erratic heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

i agree w/ April. i've seen this before. it's an erratic heartbeat.

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I've never heard of that, what can be done for it? Is it a problem?