The controversial enclosure is finished

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I have never claimed that my enclosure is ideal or optimal. But when i posted about it for the first time i got attacked by several members for the space reason which i found to be not logical for the reasons you explaind in point one. And i,m not hoping to gain any information from my post. I was just sharing things with others. I say loud and clear, i built my enclosure like this because i had more height than floor space to offer. If i had more floor space i would have done it differently. But also its not a bad enclosure for the reasons you explained in point one. I would say its an acceptable exceptional set up for a male BP but not to be recommended as a normal set up for ball pythons

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So because YOU didn't have proper space for an animal you are neglecting it by having an enclosure you yourself has said is wrong from your statement above.

Ok, I'm going to ask you a question and I'm not being snarky. I want you to see this a different way.

If you lived in a apartment with a bedroom. Would you put a king bed in the bedroom to sleep or would you use Velcro and sleep against the wall? Would you live in housing where you had to climb one ladder to 4 levels or would you live in a smaller house with one level?

I honestly think it's ridiculous, not trying to make you feel bad when I say that either.

How is your snake getting any belly heat? Looks like tile in the bottom with some aspen sprinkled on it.

What about a tempature gradient? There will be no hot or cold side with this set up, either hot or not. In order to get warm or cool your snake will have to go up or down.

It's just not ideal for a ball python, don't care how much you argue it, it's just not. I just feel bad for the snake himself, because of your ignorance he's not going to thrive, he might survive, but he/she will not be a happy snake. Sorry, just how I see it.

I have not been keeping snakes long but every day, I'm reading and watching videos, wether it be husbandry, morphs etc. Currently keeping 10 ball pythons and they are thriving because I go by what works and not by what doesnt. I just, I dunno, good luck but yeah....


And no, didn't read this entire thing either...

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Originally Posted by oodaT

I honestly think it's ridiculous, not trying to make you feel bad when I say that either.

How is your snake getting any belly heat? Looks like tile in the bottom with some aspen sprinkled on it.

What about a tempature gradient? There will be no hot or cold side with this set up, either hot or not. In order to get warm or cool your snake will have to go up or down.

It's just not ideal for a ball python, don't care how much you argue it, it's just not. I just feel bad for the snake himself, because of your ignorance he's not going to thrive, he might survive, but he/she will not be a happy snake. Sorry, just how I see it.

I have not been keeping snakes long but every day, I'm reading and watching videos, wether it be husbandry, morphs etc. Currently keeping 10 ball pythons and they are thriving because I go by what works and not by what doesnt. I just, I dunno, good luck but yeah....


And no, didn't read this entire thing either...

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No.. The hot side is only the tiles in the bottom not the Aspin. So on the floor he has a hot side and a cool side. So where you see Aspin on the floor its the cool side and where you see tiles its the hot side. So he does not need to go up to run away from heat. The negative thing about it is that i did not provide him yet with a hide on the hot side.

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

So because YOU didn't have proper space for an animal you are neglecting it by having an enclosure you yourself has said is wrong from your statement above.

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Read the entire statemant. I did not say it is wrong, i said clearly it is not bad. I said also its not ideal or optimal. As a conclusion i said its an acceptable exceptional enclosure for a male ball python but not to be recommended as a normal enclosure for ball pythons. I find myself having to repeat my statement again although it was clear enough, and you get 5 thanks because you deliberately or not deliberately did not understand it!

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Originally Posted by Dutti

Read the entire statemant. I did not say it is wrong, i said clearly it is not bad. I said also its not ideal or optimal. As a conclusion i said its an acceptable exceptional enclosure for a male ball python but not to be recommended as a normal enclosure for ball pythons. I find myself having to repeat my statement again although it was clear enough, and you get 5 thanks because you deliberately or not deliberately did not understand it!

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Do you understand the meaning of exceptional? If this is not to be recommended as normal enclosure then why put a ball python in it? You yourself are literally saying this is not a good enclosure then you argue with people when they criticize. DUTTI you are not good at trolling these forums,no one thinks it’s funny. Fortunately I’m smart enough to listen to the good keepers around here and disregard absolutely everything you say.

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Originally Posted by DandD

Do you understand the meaning of exceptional? If this is not to be recommended as normal enclosure then why put a ball python in it? You yourself are literally saying this is not a good enclosure then you argue with people when they criticize. DUTTI you are not good at trolling these forums,no one thinks it’s funny. Fortunately I’m smart enough to listen to the good keepers around here and disregard absolutely everything you say.

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Exceptional means in exceptional cases it can be used. In my case i had more height space to offer than floor space. So in such case for a male ball python it can be used but that does not mean it should be recommended as a normal standard enclosure for ball pythons. Again, its not bad and at the same time not optimal and ideal. Its an acceptable exceptional enclosure for a male ball python. If you go through an examination, the result will come as follows:
1- Very good
2-Good
3-Acceptable or Satisfying
4-Sufficient or enough
5-Failed

If you get a mark from 1 to 4 you will pass that exam. And if you get 5 you will not. So my enclosure in my opinion gets 3. I hope its clear now

[QUOTE=Dutti;2584107]Exceptional means in exceptional cases it can be used. In my case i had more height space to offer than floor space. So in such case for a male ball python it can be used but that does not mean it should be recommended as a normal standard enclosure for ball pythons. Again, its not bad and at the same time not optimal and ideal. Its an acceptable exceptional enclosure for a male ball python. If you go through an examination, the result will come as follows:
1- Very good
2-Good
3-Acceptable or Satisfying
4-Sufficient or enough
5-Failed

If you get a mark from 1 to 4 you will pass that exam. And if you get 5 you will not. So my enclosure in my opinion gets 3. I hope its clear now[/QUOTE
lol u mean acceptable not exceptional and according to everyone else this is not even an acceptable enclosure let alone an exceptional enclosure. Your going with the whole “thrive or survive” sure Your bp will survive but will it thrive. Stop defending bad husbandry.

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I have never claimed that my enclosure is ideal or optimal. But when i posted about it for the first time i got attacked by several members for the space reason which i found to be not logical for the reasons you explaind in point one. And i,m not hoping to gain any information from my post. I was just sharing things with others. I say loud and clear, i built my enclosure like this because i had more height than floor space to offer. If i had more floor space i would have done it differently. But also its not a bad enclosure for the reasons you explained in point one. I would say its an acceptable exceptional set up for a male BP but not to be recommended as a normal set up for ball pythons

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I always love how this one phrase gets thrown around when someone doesn't like to comments they received.
This enclosure is like having children........ just because you can doesn't mean you should.
This also proves that you would rather try to prove people wrong instead of putting your animal first.
You like the attention but don't comprehend the type and why.
No experienced keeper here has said there is one set way to keep your animal because there really isn't.
What works in my house might not work in my neighbors BUT most of us do know what wont work because some or us have tried already.
You are not doing anything new or innovative.
Good luck to your animal........

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Originally Posted by Dutti

I will help you find it..You have posted that article before in the first page of the following thread
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...arboreal-snake

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Thank you !
Very useful as I was struggling to find it .

I've also seen another detailed account from a Royal python trapper - just can't find that one ..


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