Re: Super Coral Glow - male or female maker?
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kxr
No, you were right, but you said in your previous post if you bred a male burm to a het female ball it would produce ZZ phenotype babies. I guess I should have assumed you meant to say a homo female ball python.
Yeah, you would get ZZ offspring if you bred a ZZ male burm to a ZZ female ball so they would all be a single sex. That's why I wanted to try the cross. If the cross only gave off one sex then you would know that female balls are indeed ZZ.
Now all I'm thinking is would a ZZ burmball be able to breed both male ball pythons and female Burmese pythons or would it be infertile... I think I've fallen too far down the rabbit hole lol
Edit: I just saw that you said whichever species had the larger gamete would decide gender. How does that work?
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Sorry that was my bad. I meant to say homo ZZ. Producing all of one sex (over several trials and specimens of course) would prove that they differ from burms in their sex gametes. It should still be fertile like other burmballs, but only trials would tell.
Because (in this hypothetical situation) in one species ZZ codes for male and in the other it codes for female the larger sex chromosomes would determine which species decided the sex. I'm not exactly sure of the specifics on this though.
We still have so much to learn about this. Fortunately the burms genome sequence gives off something to work off of but obviously it isnt the same so there are areas that we are left to assume are the same with balls.
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Super Coral Glow - male or female maker?
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Originally Posted by
Yamitaifu
Sorry that was my bad. I meant to say homo ZZ. Producing all of one sex (over several trials and specimens of course) would prove that they differ from burms in their sex gametes. It should still be fertile like other burmballs, but only trials would tell.
Because (in this hypothetical situation) in one species ZZ codes for male and in the other it codes for female the larger sex chromosomes would determine which species decided the sex. I'm not exactly sure of the specifics on this though.
We still have so much to learn about this. Fortunately the burms genome sequence gives off something to work off of but obviously it isnt the same so there are areas that we are left to assume are the same with balls.
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Yep! In order to make this a truly scientific study it would likely take many years to obtain enough viable hybrid clutches.
I'm still confused as to how the larger gamete would control gender but considering you don't fully understand this either I'd assume you found this result in a study regarding different species somewhere. Which would, in my naive eyes anyway, lead more credibility to this scenario.
I'm not really a fan of hybrids TBH so I don't think I would do this even if I lived somewhere where burms were legal. I just find it really fascinating and I enjoy talking about it with someone who's knowledgeable.
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Re: Super Coral Glow - male or female maker?
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Originally Posted by
kxr
Yep! In order to make this a truly scientific study it would likely take many years to obtain enough viable hybrid clutches.
I'm still confused as to how the larger gamete would control gender but considering you don't fully understand this either I'd assume you found this result in a study regarding different species somewhere. Which would, in my naive eyes anyway, lead more credibility to this scenario.
I'm not really a fan of hybrids TBH so I don't think I would do this even if I lived somewhere where burms were legal. I just find it really fascinating and I enjoy talking about it with someone who's knowledgeable.
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I learned about the gamete size playing a role from one of the profs here while discussing the scenario. He agreed though that the odds of such closely related species having opposite gametes would be very rare.
Personally i dont mind hybrids that much as long as the individual is healthy and thriving. I'm glad that i found someone to discuss this with that has an idea about the matter rather than sitting alone or rambling on to someone who has no idea what i'm talking about :).
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