Semi graphic bite photos.

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Originally Posted by Micki

I get the point that was being made. I just don't feel the comparison is fair. Small dogs, in my experience, bite more often from fear than large dogs bite (people) from aggression.

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Small dogs, large dogs, cats, birds. All considered safe and accepted by the majority. Snakes more often than not are considered high risk due to media and perception.

Far more often than not a snake bite is less damaging. Fair has nothing to do with it. Watch videos of Snakebytes TV of Chewey getting bitten. Never serious. Doubt he does that with dogs.

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Originally Posted by Micki

I get the point that was being made. I just don't feel the comparison is fair. Small dogs, in my experience, bite more often from fear than large dogs bite (people) from aggression.

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Define aggression then.

"I'm going to get you?"

"Stay away?"

I felt any bite, fear based or anger, was a state of aggression. They both mean "back off" regardless of if it's because they are being savage or wanting you to leave them alone....?


Herp Derp

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Originally Posted by Gio

Small dogs, large dogs, cats, birds. All considered safe and accepted by the majority. Snakes more often than not are considered high risk due to media and perception.

Far more often than not a snake bite is less damaging. Fair has nothing to do with it. Watch videos of Snakebytes TV of Chewey getting bitten. Never serious. Doubt he does that with dogs.

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Watch Chewie feeding the snakes at prehistoric pets. He doesn't allow those snakes anywhere near him. I agree the fear of snake bites exceeds the actual damage but the comparison here would be me showing a parakeets bite and comparing it to a retic to prove birds are safer bets. It just isn't really comparable.

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

Define aggression then.

"I'm going to get you?"

"Stay away?"

I felt any bite, fear based or anger, was a state of aggression. They both mean "back off" regardless of if it's because they are being savage or wanting you to leave them alone....?


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You could get a nip from a large dog while playing, accidental. Attacking is aggression. I'm not sure I consider defensive bites( still more prevalent with small dogs) aggression. You can corner and terrorize anything into biting.

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Originally Posted by Gio

It's not the breed of dog but irresponsible ownership that is the problem. Every instance you personally mentioned was with an unleashed dog or a dog not being supervised properly. Leash laws solve 95 % of all dog issues when followed. Maybe there are more "reported and sensationalized bites" puplisized but just like with snakes the media will run with what it can. ANY large dog can inflict significant damage. Try using a similar mindset with races of people and crimes committed and see how it flies when you want to categorize something. It's the owners NOT the breed of dog or snake. It's the individual person, not the ethnic background of the person comitting the crime. I have dealt with more dogs than most people and can tell you where the problems come from and it's not breed specific.

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This! Pets in general are extremely safe, deaths are uncommon and almost always preventable. In dogs it's almost always the unfixed guard/breeding dog that was not kept as a pet, usually with a history of aggression combined with irresponsible owners. The breed is going to depend on what's the cheapest, most commonly backyard bred dogs around. Or prey deaths were people bring home a newborn and then leave it on the floor alone with your dog that's never been around kids which is more of any breed type of deal. Rarely does an inside fixed dog kept as a loved pet kill anyone. Rarely does a properly contained and owned reptile kill anyone.

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Originally Posted by Micki

Watch Chewie feeding the snakes at prehistoric pets. He doesn't allow those snakes anywhere near him. I agree the fear of snake bites exceeds the actual damage but the comparison here would be me showing a parakeets bite and comparing it to a retic to prove birds are safer bets. It just isn't really comparable.

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I clarified all of this in the very first post which you seemed to be intenitionally missing. Jay has actually taken a few bites from his retics same with Brian. You are basically trying to put out the worst case scenario. I've used the term "generally" throughout this thread. The retic crowd is a more select group.
But if you want to play worst case scenario I can tell you the dog that bit me was easily capable of taking me out. There are plenty of pets deemed safe causing problems. Almost every big snake biting issue is due to feeding mistakes which are easily avoided.

Don't continue to disagree with people here and change the topic from its intended purpose The majority of the members here are not large snake owners and it's easy to see that in the forums. Yet uninformed people feel as if owning a royal Python, boa constrictor or carpet Python is very dangerous based on fear and rumors.

There are very very few instances where a snake's bite does more damage on average.

Again ,,,,, noting like I have from the first post, there are exceptions.

How can you not understand this being a snake owner yourself?

Your rebuttals are off base as you jump right into the largest snakes and the worst possible situations each time which isn't being done with the other animals. Average bite and release was the topic.
It's been covered and mentioned here. Time to let it die.

When you have 16 plus years of experience handling, competing and putting protection titles and obedience titles on dogs maybe you will be able to recognize their capabilities even when offering a playful bite during a game of tug.

Think I'm about done here.

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Originally Posted by Gio

I clarified all of this in the very first post which you seemed to be intenitionally missing. Jay has actually taken a few bites from his retics same with Brian. You are basically trying to put out the worst case scenario. I've used the term "generally" throughout this thread. The retic crowd is a more select group.
But if you want to play worst case scenario I can tell you the dog that bit me was easily capable of taking me out. There are plenty of pets deemed safe causing problems. Almost every big snake biting issue is due to feeding mistakes which are easily avoided.

Don't continue to disagree with people here and change the topic from its intended purpose The majority of the members here are not large snake owners and it's easy to see that in the forums. Yet uninformed people feel as if owning a royal Python, boa constrictor or carpet Python is very dangerous based on fear and rumors.

There are very very few instances where a snake's bite does more damage on average.

Again ,,,,, noting like I have from the first post, there are exceptions.

How can you not understand this being a snake owner yourself?

Your rebuttals are off base as you jump right into the largest snakes and the worst possible situations each time which isn't being done with the other animals. Average bite and release was the topic.
It's been covered and mentioned here. Time to let it die.

When you have 16 plus years of experience handling, competing and putting protection titles and obedience titles on dogs maybe you will be able to recognize their capabilities even when offering a playful bite during a game of tug.

Think I'm about done here.

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We won't agree and that's OK. But you picked a large dangerous dog as your example and a baby snake as your example. I just feel comparing the two doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by Micki

We won't agree and that's OK. But you picked a large dangerous dog as your example and a baby snake as your example. I just feel comparing the two doesn't make any sense.

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Those were my 2 bites and it makes perfect sense. My boa could have been 50 pounds and not come remotely close to doing that damage. As I later went on to explain and also did in the first post mentioned smaller animals still pack a punch. My bother in law was shredded by a Bicion mix and had his hand stitched.

My bite? Large dog yes but dangerous isn't a fitting label as that dog was very stable. An accidental bite was the issue.

I mentioned birds rats and cats all common and well thought of pets being every bit as capable of doing damage. The truth is snakes are in cages most of the time and the likelihood of being bitten is minimal with precautions.

There are plenty of snake bite pictures on the web and only a very few from the the largest of snakes show anything remarkable.

It still holds true that snake bites are in MOST cases minor and cause less trauma than bites from other standard pets. It's indisputable and very much based on the mechanics and purpose of their mouths.

Take your pick, as it was mentioned here by another member, an 80 pound dog or 80 pound snake. I can tell you which will damage you more.

You've done a wonderful job draining the "general" point "spirit" of this topic.

Enjoy having the last word as that appears to be your end goal.

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Originally Posted by Micki

You could get a nip from a large dog while playing, accidental. Attacking is aggression. I'm not sure I consider defensive bites( still more prevalent with small dogs) aggression. You can corner and terrorize anything into biting.

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There's actually a real term for it in dogs, called fear aggression or fear biting. It is considered a form of aggression, just a different source. Any "fight" response is considered aggression.

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Originally Posted by Micki

We won't agree and that's OK. But you picked a large dangerous dog as your example and a baby snake as your example. I just feel comparing the two doesn't make any sense.

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(Sorry, couldn't edit my last post more)

Even if you don't think it makes sense, I think you are missing the whole point of the OP's first post here. We're all on the boat that the baby boa's bite is harmless and the dog's prey/play bite can do a lot of damage, but the point is that the general public would rather consider the baby boa to be the more dangerous and high-risk one. The topic is of the general person's misconception about snakes, even small ones.

Check out this link of the human society's list of "constrictor snake attacks". Anyone who knows a thing or two about snakes can see that probably 30% of them are bogus and made-up tales or incompetent owners, and another percentage are just harmless. http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/...ke-attacks.pdf

"December 2, 2002/Marina, California: A female student was bitten on the finger by a 3-foot boa constrictor kept in the middle school classroom.54"

They literally list this as a constrictor ATTACK... Why not list the thousands of hamsters and rats who have bitten people on the finger then too? LOL


ETA: I posted the same things in my first post in this thread, woops.