Re: Opinion: Do you find breeding spiders unethical?
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Originally Posted by
dmt_jovi
Now the big question comes:
Would you oppose someone with a limp having children?
Look at the world around you...... People will debate the ethics of breeding animals but don't care about the risks they take on their own. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Its a whole different and deeper debate but the same theories.
Only thing is with a Spider morph you have an idea of what to expect.....the other is like Russian Roulette.
Re: Opinion: Do you find breeding spiders unethical?
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Originally Posted by
AntTheDestroyer
Jovi, unless you have proof the scientific community has said the wobble does not affect the animals life, you are spreading the same misinformation you are so against. I would honestly be surprised if any scientific study had been done on the issue at all.
From the paper posted by Salt:
"Of the respondents that felt the welfare impact was minimal, rationales were cited such as, “Although there are cognitive defects that appear to be present [these] don’t seem to adversely affect quality of life too severely,” and, “There seems to only rarely be a severe welfare issue with the wobble condition, with the majority leading a largely ‘normal’ life."
Which raises the question: What is exactly a ball python's "normal" life, according to the author? Because what may be considered "normal" by the author might be an anthropomorphized version of a ball python's lifestyle. This set of elements that constitute a normal life is one of the most important basis for a fair and true discussion about this topic, because unless we can agree on what those elements are, we are destined to simply throw our own personal opinion back and forth.
"Clinical signs of the wobble condition have been shown to include head and neck tremors, torticollis, incoordination, disequilibrium and inhibited righting reflex, which are indicative of a central nervous system disorder (Bennett and Mehler 2005). Symptoms may only appear, or be exaggerated, during periods of arousal, such as when feeding. While prevalence of the condition among Spider morphs remains unclear, with many experts stating that all are affected to some degree, there is consensus that a minority of individuals are severely impacted in their ability to perform their full repertoire of species-appropriate behaviours, relative to wild-type captive pythons."
This once again begs the question: What exactly does the author consider "species-appropriate behaviours"?
Now, let me clarify something. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on the topic or that you can't simply disagree or not approve this behavior (breeding spiders), you absolutely can and have the right to do so. However when the topic goes from "I don't agree with X" to "People should not be abble to do X" that's when the problems start rising because you are saying your opinion is more valid than anyone who differs from you and it is the only correct one. When someone does that I think it's only fair to ask them to justify, using facts instead of personal beliefs, why their opinion is the correct one.
P.S.: I'm sorry if my english is somewhat "broken", it is not my native language and it is kind of late where I am, so I'm sorry for any mistakes I might've done.
Re: Opinion: Do you find breeding spiders unethical?
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Originally Posted by
PitOnTheProwl
Look at the world around you...... People will debate the ethics of breeding animals but don't care about the risks they take on their own. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Its a whole different and deeper debate but the same theories.
Only thing is with a Spider morph you have an idea of what to expect.....the other is like Russian Roulette.
That was kind of a rhetoric question from my perspective, but I get what you're saying ;)
Besides it just shows how anthropomorphizing can sometimes not be the correct approach to some topics.
