Finally...

omg this thread is like a train wreck. (and those other threads too.) we should all move along, but can't stop staring. :rolleyes:

@ECeChoHO - listen to the folks. there's a lot of really good advice here from really experienced folks. some folks who have replied to you are breeders, ecologists, educators, etc. we all love snakes here and want what's best for your snakes too.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

omg this thread is like a train wreck. (and those other threads too.) we should all move along, but can't stop staring. :rolleyes:

@ECeChoHO - listen to the folks. there's a lot of really good advice here from really experienced folks. some folks who have replied to you are breeders, ecologists, educators, etc. we all love snakes here and want what's best for your snakes too.

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This is the most RESPECTFUL post I've gotten from yall on this thread.. Just cuz you came at me CORRECT imma look into this response from Ax01..[emoji108]🏿[emoji108]🏿[emoji108]🏿


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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

Now she has to be HET something.. And that's the type talk I don't like I care for ball pythons just as much as the next person so how would you feel if someone told you how to raise your kids, my BABIES(ball pythons) is the only type animal that I break bank to maintain just like a person with a BABY so I hear what yall SAY but until you live in my shoes TRY NOT to bring personal thoughts if a person is doing something wrong and also WE DO NOT LIVE IN THE SAME AREA/STATE so temps/humidity matter and I'm working on that...

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People tell me how to raise my ball pythons all the time its called getting advice, these people are also snake enthusiasts who have been in the hobby longer than me. You know what? I listen, and I’m not offended, because these people, just like us, give the best advice on how to properly keep these animals. I, unlike others am not stupid enough to see their advice as an attack on my keeping ability. And no, I’ve not lived in your shoes, but I will tell you about myself, as of a few hours ago I am now 25 (today is my birthday) I live at home with my mother and father still. I have a college degree, and I’m currently working on my second. I have a full time job, but still struggle to pay the bills, (car, phone, credit, and insurance). I have a girlfriend, hopefully in the next few months she’ll be my fiancé, and I still have time to keep and care for these guys the way they are supposed to be taken care of.

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

I get all what I'm saying from the company that sold me my newbie pastel 100% pied sooooo if I'm not doing what you people are telling means I'm doing this my way like they were still in the wild in AFRICA where non of yall, maybe a select FEW have EVER been I don't like the whole RACK system method, it works but I don't like putting my babies in jail(racks), there are NO rack systems in the WILD..!![emoji6]

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Maybe not rack systems Mr. Echo, but there are termite mounds, and tree trunks which come kind of close to a rack when it comes to space, did YOU know? Ball Pythons really enjoy enclosed and cramped spaces? You know, those that a rack system or a termite mound can provide? Last time I was in Africa, I also didn’t see any repurposed dumpster TV stands with Ball Pythons in them. I guess those aren’t in the wild either, darn…

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

Hmmmmmm ok, understood now different states and regions have different temps/humidity levels so the guy I got pastel from lives in NC closer to the equator so his regular weather temps would be hotter than someone in NJ... Now soo many people on this forum are from all over the U.S. so let a NJ person on here tell me some news and I'll take his/her word a lot easier than someone who lives in OHIO or anywhere else..!! Yall seem not to be getting MY point, and that's I'm going to raise(keep) MY snakes the way that best suits ME...[emoji106]��[emoji108]��...... So what erryyone<--southern accent lol, is telling me is clear bellies DONT mean anything, I craiglisted these two beauties so no kind of breeder news to what type het he/she is cuz he shows some markers also...just a quick question don't get rediculous wit the answers, **putting two gets together would get you what outcome..??**

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Yes, Mr. Echo, I do live in Ohio, the summers are too short (its already 60 here at night), and the winters are way too long, there virtually is a 3 week fall, and an even shorter spring. I’m pretty sure you and I live in the same geographical area, and I attempt to keep my snakes at the proper temperature for them, and replicate to the best of my abilities what it’s like in Africa. Have you ever been to North Carolina? Did you know, that it also snows there? It is really, no-where near the equator, like at all…. You really just don’t get it. Your point is that you are going to raise these animals the best way that suits YOU. That, is not the proper way to care for an animal. Especially if you want them to thrive and breed, YOU need to raise your snakes the way that best suits THEM. And I feel so bad for your snakes since you raise them the way that best suits you.

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

I've had these snakes for 5 years and ain't NOTHING happened/s to them and just cuz I don't post it doesn't mean I don't have it, could incubate the eggs if they needed it tomorrow.. OMGoodness I can't wait to prove yall wrong, yall gon be saying oh snap maybe he WAS saying something we didn't understand..!!!!!!

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You’ve had these snakes for five years… I’ve had my oldest since he was a baby, he is now 9. There are people on here who have had the same ball python for over 20 years old. So, why won’t you just listen to a word of advice any of us give you? You say nothing happened(s) to them? They are housed together correct? Funny how within 5 years, you’ve had no eggs, or anything with them…. Maybe just maybe it means you are doing something wrong… by the way, everybody on here already can’t understand you… your typing skills remind of a small child. Please learn some proper spelling and grammar, for your sake, and for the sake of your future.
As for everything else, this thread is a train wreck, just like the other poster has stated. You don’t listen to anything anyone else says, I personally believe you are a troll that has been created by someone just to make us entertained, or really frustrated. But if not, I sincerely feel bad for you, and the snakes, who are being cared for in a way that best suits you, and not them.
Please just stop.

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Originally Posted by Montypython696

Have you ever been to North Carolina? Did you know, that it also snows there? It is really, no-where near the equator, like at all….

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Did you know that when it snows in North Carolina, everything grinds to a halt and the power goes out for extended periods because no one knows how to handle snow and none of the cities have the proper equipment to deal with it? :D I have to keep my reptiles alive in sub-freezing temps here with no power multiple times every winter, and I'm in an apartment so I can't have a generator. Talk about some seriously horrible all-nighters.

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

**putting two gets together would get you what outcome..??**

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If you meant "hets" and not "gets"... as in:

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

**putting two Hets together would get you what outcome..??**

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Then the breakdown is as follows:

Het Pied Male x Het Pied Female = Each animal will pass on one copy of the Pied gene to 50% of the offspring, and no copies of the Pied gene to 50% of the offspring. Some will overlap, some will not. This gives you a breakdown of...

• 25% NORMALS (both parents passed on no copies of the Pied gene)
• 25% VISUAL Pieds (both parents passed on one copy of the Pied gene, resulting in a baby with two copies of the gene, giving the visual effect)
• 50% HET Pieds (one parent passed on one copy of the Pied gene, one parent passed on no copies of the Pied gene, so the baby carries the gene, but does not show it)

The problem now becomes: which babies are HET, and which are NORMAL?

You might be able to make a guess by looking for markers - but remember, these are only clues, and not guarantees. As such, each baby that does not display the visual has a 66% chance of being HET, meaning those are the odds that it carries the hidden gene. :)

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Did you know that when it snows in North Carolina, everything grinds to a halt and the power goes out for extended periods because no one knows how to handle snow and none of the cities have the proper equipment to deal with it? :D

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True story: I lived in South Carolina when I was in Kindergarten, and the first time I saw snow was on the first day of spring one year... I made a tiny snowman in our front yard. It was horrible XD I'm sure I have a picture buried in an album somewhere. But I thought it was AMAZING.

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Originally Posted by Aercadia

True story: I lived in South Carolina when I was in Kindergarten, and the first time I saw snow was on the first day of spring one year... I made a tiny snowman in our front yard. It was horrible XD I'm sure I have a picture buried in an album somewhere. But I thought it was AMAZING.

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I've lived in the South my whole life... And even though I'm vegan, I still feel a strong compulsion to go out and buy lots of eggs, milk, and bread every time they forecast snow. It's like some bizarre cult ritual that everyone living below the Mason-Dixon line does.
It doesn't even make sense. I mean, if you're scared you're going to get snowed in, why buy things that go bad quickly?

See here we go again, YES they are in the same enclosure but TOTALLY separated, 5 years and no eggs means I'm not trying to have INBRED babies my first two are brother and sister that's why I copped the 100%pastel het pied, so NO INBREEDING would take place here with many problems I read could happen SO see I've been looking out for my babies..[emoji6] NOW I was stating that NC is closer than NJ is to the equator.. And whoever posted about my spelling the type of (LUCKY I can't curse on here) but that's what iPhones do so you coulda not wasted time posting at all...DONT talk to me about YOUR well being of MY babies, they are still alive with NO PROBLEMS...OH yeah I noticed that when I confined the male BP he snapped at me when I took him out for his weekly trip OUTSIDE, I comfort my babies... Now watch someone post you SHOULDN'T do that or keep them in the same DIVIDED enclosure with no means of the two reaching each other.. So there let the insults commence..!![emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]


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So can you please show me were you read that inbreeding cause all these problems? All you do is make up lies to make your BAD husbandry practices seam ok... I can tell you for a fact that we wouldnt have 3/4 of the morphs without inbreeding...your so called HET pieds originally were inbreed...they found one pied in the wild breed it to a normal got all HET babies then breed the babies back to dad...now I think they have a name for that I cant quite put my thumb on it....humm... oh yea inbreeding!!!!!!I have owned snake long before you got dropped on your head repeatedly. you have had many many people. Nicely try to help you...but when u insult breeders and more educated people than u your not going get nice response. So once again can I see were you are reading this info and who the author is..please im more than willing to read these new studies you are reading.....good luck with trying to prove those pieds lollolololol better chance hitting the power ball.

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It's perfectly normal for a male who has just been put into a new enclosure and is suddenly grabbed by a giant three hundred times his size to snap. They don't have great vision and if they are startled it can take a minute to recognize you by smell.