Husbandry vent

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Originally Posted by 8_Ball

My last rant I swear.

1. The ground stays warmer at night, those termite mounds are deep.
2. Just because the lows can hit the low 70s during some seasons I don't see why the snakes have to be subjected to those temperatures year round. So corn snakes are found in Maryland. The lows there are 30-40 degrees in the winter. Am I going to keep a corn at 40 degrees ambient?
3. I'm content with my lows in the low 80's like most folks on here are [emoji16]

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1.So they stay underground during the night and hunt in the day?
2.Just because the lows only go down to the 60s I don't see why our lows would be in the 80s. Colubrids are totally different.
3.To each their own we will agree to disagree.

Don't get me wrong I am not ranting. However there is more then just caresheets to think about. They are old and outdated and people need to think about the whole picture. You say it is impossible to keep a healthy ball python with an ambient less then 75. Yet mine are high 60s to low 70s. I have about 100 ball pythons and have hatched I don't know how many 100s of snakes. A ball python won't get ri with a hot spot and these ambient temps. Again they self regulate. They know what they need and can take care of their needs better then we can.

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Originally Posted by bondo

1.So they stay underground during the night and hunt in the day?
2.Just because the lows only go down to the 60s I don't see why our lows would be in the 80s. Colubrids are totally different.
3.To each their own we will agree to disagree.

Don't get me wrong I am not ranting. However there is more then just caresheets to think about. They are old and outdated and people need to think about the whole picture. You say it is impossible to keep a healthy ball python with an ambient less then 75. Yet mine are high 60s to low 70s. I have about 100 ball pythons and have hatched I don't know how many 100s of snakes. A ball python won't get ri with a hot spot and these ambient temps. Again they self regulate. They know what they need and can take care of their needs better then we can.

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Ok cool that is fine for you. I will not be keeping my snake at the EXTREAMS of their natural temp range (69-74 and 98-106 degrees.) I will try to keep them comfortable in the middle and what is suggested. Just don't tell me my snake is "suffering" in a previous thread because he is kept at 81-83/90-91 which is usually reccomended [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by 8_Ball

Ok cool that is fine for you. I will not be keeping my snake at the EXTREAMS of their natural temp range (69-74 and 98-106 degrees.) I will try to keep them comfortable in the middle and what is suggested. Just don't tell me my snake is "suffering" in a previous thread because he is kept at 81-83/90-91 which is usually reccomended [emoji6]

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Your snake has a problem and you won't try to change things to help it. Seems like you are allowing it to suffer.

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Originally Posted by bondo

Your snake has a problem and you won't try to change things to help it. Seems like you are allowing it to suffer.

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I won't allow my snake to be uncomfortable, sorry. He eats every 5 days, sheds perfect, and is healthy otherwise. Maybe he's just too fat or its just wrinkles from being curled up. I don't know but water makes it go away it seems. That's my question. It could be too dry. Temperature is not a problem trust me. He spends most time on the warm side so he can't be too warm.. like you said he would seek out what he needs [emoji6] if they want to be cooler he would seek out a cooler spot so obviously he's not too warm. So he's not suffering temperature wise.

Bondo, you really don't have to post a rant and say everyone else is wrong and "cooking" their snakes just to justify in your own mind not wanting to spend money on electricity.

I keep 'em in the 80s and they eat, poop and breed too.

"Their natural environment matters! It's in the high 60s for one day a year in selected cities in Africa above ground, so we should make it that cold 365 days a year! Anyone who does differently is "cooking" their snakes! But don't do it though, because y'all inexperienced noobs! I'm experienced and therefore my snakes automatically adjust their biology to want extreme temperatures! Therefore it's better! Hey, I have a hundred snakes, m'kay? A HUNDRED!!!"

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Originally Posted by hungba

Bondo, you really don't have to post a rant and say everyone else is wrong and "cooking" their snakes just to justify in your own mind not wanting to spend money on electricity.

I keep 'em in the 80s and they eat, poop and breed too.

"Their natural environment matters! It's in the high 60s for one day a year in selected cities in Africa above ground, so we should make it that cold 365 days a year! Anyone who does differently is "cooking" their snakes! But don't do it though, because y'all inexperienced noobs! I'm experienced and therefore my snakes automatically adjust their biology to want extreme temperatures! Therefore it's better! Hey, I have a hundred snakes, m'kay? A HUNDRED!!!"

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Those were average lows for the year. Not one day but 365. I have no idea what the last sentence means. I never said you were all noobs. Try reading the whole thing again. I said no one is willing to look at all the info and deviate from the care sheets. You are proving my point very well. I also said if it works for you then so be it. You are picking parts out of what I said and trying to twist it.

Well you must be right because you have a hundred snakes that all eat, crap and breed, and I only have 99 snakes that eat crap and breed. Therefore I must be "cooking" my snakes and wrong. But of course, "if it works for me then so be it", even though I'm "cooking my snakes".

And these responses are all because I'm just blindly following care sheets, even though I agree about the kiln dried pine usage for snakes, was the one to talk about using biosponge for substrate when I kept pacmans, keep humidity in the air up instead of using moist substrate for my tegus. I didn't tell them at the tegu forum they were "drowning their lizards" in substrate, but if it works for them keep doing it, though. Maybe I should go back and "rant but not ranting". Oops, better not. I only have 99 snakes not 100. And I have only kept snakes since 2006, so that's 9 years not 10. So I am a great example of someone who blindly follows care sheets. YOU GOT ME NOW! Red handed!

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Originally Posted by hungba

Well you must be right because you have a hundred snakes that all eat, crap and breed, and I only have 99 snakes that eat crap and breed. Therefore I must be "cooking" my snakes and wrong. But of course, "if it works for me then so be it", even though I'm "cooking my snakes".

And these responses are all because I'm just blindly following care sheets, even though I agree about the kiln dried pine usage for snakes, was the one to talk about using biosponge for substrate when I kept pacmans, keep humidity in the air up instead of using moist substrate for my tegus. I didn't tell them at the tegu forum they were "drowning their lizards" in substrate, but if it works for them keep doing it, though. Maybe I should go back and "rant but not ranting". Oops, better not. I only have 99 snakes not 100. And I have only kept snakes since 2006, so that's 9 years not 10. So I am a great example of someone who blindly follows care sheets. YOU GOT ME NOW! Red handed!

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Ummmmm ok not sure how to respond to that. You just keep saying things and try to link me to your statements. Here is a sentence early on in this. Like I said if they follow the care sheet they should have no issues for keeping their snake in good shape. Now what else would you like to make up. Maybe I kick puppies or I like to sniff glue? Not sure what your deal is. Apparently open discussion is not allowed in your mind.

By the way, to the rest of the forum, I am by no means saying that you should or should not keep your snakes at ambient high 60s. Maybe it works, I have no idea one way or the other as I have never kept my ball pythons under 75 ambient. I blindly followed advice from breeders with 101 snakes or more.

I'm just irked that he says we're "cooking our snakes" and blindly following care sheets, instead of blindly following him (which is ok of course because if it works for me it's ok to cook my snakes). As many of you know, I live in Hong Kong where people eat snakes. Maybe I should start a business. And before someone gets smart, no, we don't eat cats and dogs.

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Originally Posted by hungba

By the way, to the rest of the forum, I am by no means saying that you should or should not keep your snakes at ambient high 60s. Maybe it works, I have no idea one way or the other as I have never kept my ball pythons under 75 ambient. I blindly followed advice from breeders with 101 snakes or more.

I'm just irked that he says we're "cooking our snakes" and blindly following care sheets, instead of blindly following him (which is ok of course because if it works for me it's ok to cook my snakes). As many of you know, I live in Hong Kong where people eat snakes. Maybe I should start a business. And before someone gets smart, no, we don't eat cats and dogs.

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Where are you coming up with this? Are the words coming up differently on your screen. Weird this is like talking to my wall. :rolleye2: The cooking statement was referring to breeding. Hot temps equal poor breeding. It effects the sperm and the egg production.