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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks
Hello 20 year old person still in collage and living with their parents. I'm a 30 year old person with two kids who pays rent and bills, and is about to purchase a home.
Just to let you know, the word you are trying to spell is spelled like this: college. Collages are those fun magazine cut out pages we used to make as kids. Sorry, grammar/spelling nazi over here.
Congrats on being able to get the snake!! I am happy for you. :)
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I've never understood why people feel the need to correct spelling/grammar when it's obvious what someone was trying to say. It doesn't clear anything up (since I'm pretty sure no one thought we were talking about collages) and just ticks people off.
I'm glad OP got permission to get a snake, because the advice to just go get one without the parents' permission was just completely inappropriate. Luckily it worked out for the person who did it without any harm coming to the snakes, but you don't know the OP's situation or how their parents would react. That advice could cause a snake to be abandoned or killed depending on how the parents reacted.
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by DVirginiana
I've never understood why people feel the need to correct spelling/grammar when it's obvious what someone was trying to say. It doesn't clear anything up (since I'm pretty sure no one thought we were talking about collages) and just ticks people off.
I just think if this person is so gung-ho about letting a kid know that they are a parent and 30 and about to buy a house, they might want to be able to spell the word college. To me, one seems less intelligent when spelling common words incorrectly, but it really doesn't matter what I think. I was just trying to let them know so perhaps it will stick and they won't keep misspelling the word. Seriously, I did not mean to start an argument or come across as rude. Now please no one respond to this, so that the thread can remain on topic.
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by amozo
I just think if this person is so gung-ho about letting a kid know that they are a parent and 30 and about to buy a house, they might want to be able to spell the word college. To me, one seems less intelligent when spelling common words incorrectly, but it really doesn't matter what I think. I was just trying to let them know so perhaps it will stick and they won't keep misspelling the word. Seriously, I did not mean to start an argument or come across as rude. Now please no one respond to this, so that the thread can remain on topic.
huh, i guess it is spelled with an e lol
my posts probably bug you alot XD
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by xyzpdq75
huh, i guess it is spelled with an e lol
my posts probably bug you alot XD
No, not at all! I like your posts and definitely agree. I just shouldn't have said anything. :fishslap:
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks
Hello 20 year old person still in collage and living with their parents. I'm a 30 year old person with two kids who pays rent and bills, and is about to purchase a home. I am speaking to you from the point of view as a parent. I'm sure you do love your pets and care for them, but the fact of the matter is, at 15 you were not legally an adult, you were still bound by the house rules of your parents, and you went against them, whether or not you did it with your money. It worked out for you, congratulations.
Now. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE HOME SITUATION OF THE OP, EITHER. DO NOT. DO NOT. Tell an under age minor still living with their parents to "do it anyway" and "that's how you prove you're responsible." Stuff like this is what will happen. On top of that, OP is even younger now than what you were, and not legally able to hold a job with a steady income, which means they HAVE to use their parents money. How long exactly do you think the 'do it anyway' thing would fly in that sort of situation?
I'd have to agree with that. If I'd have done that while still living with my parents, I'd have hell to pay. And the animal would have been taken back.
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
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Originally Posted by amozo
I just think if this person is so gung-ho about letting a kid know that they are a parent and 30 and about to buy a house, they might want to be able to spell the word college. To me, one seems less intelligent when spelling common words incorrectly, but it really doesn't matter what I think. I was just trying to let them know so perhaps it will stick and they won't keep misspelling the word. Seriously, I did not mean to start an argument or come across as rude. Now please no one respond to this, so that the thread can remain on topic.
Not unintelligent, or a purposeful misspelling. Just trying to be calm while angry, and not catching dumb typos. Sometimes my finger dance off and type things that I know to be incorrect (know instead of no, peak instead of pique, etc.) Very obnoxious, but I'm not so vexed by it when in a casual setting like a message board or live chatting with friends.
(Also, tumblr has been an atrocious influence on my punctuation usage. Oops.)
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Re: Parents think snakes are evil (I want a bp?)
Lizardlicks got angry really quick and easy here. Name calling? Prick? I don't see the need for the lack of self control.
I thought this was a more professional gathering.
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@OP: Sorry about all the derails kiddo. You did the right thing, stuck to your guns, and demonstrated a lot of knowledge and initiative. It paid off now, and it will pay off again in the future. Congrats on your future pet! :gj:
@serpenttongues: I am sorry I snapped. The name calling was inappropriate. From the wording of your initial post, it sounded as though you got some sort of enjoyment from your mom's discomfort, and I don't hold well to people who would treat another human being that way. I still do not approve of your method, and am even more disappointed that you thought this was good advice to pass on to a young person.
Advice: go hug your mom, tell her you love her, tell her that you're sorry about having gone against her wishes when you brought the first snake home when you were younger and more belligerent, but that you sincerely appreciate her continued support of you and your hobby, despite her discomfort.
@Boomerang: When a grown person is advocating bad behavior, and encouraging a kid to take a course of action that could well endanger an animal, and permanently damage the trust between parent and child, then has the gall to call it "responsible," yeah, I get mad. When the person makes a reply talking about how funny they think it is when someone they should care about screams in fear and runs away from them, yeah, I get mad. Contrary to what you came into this place under the impression under, we're people. With emotions. From the tone of one of your other posts, you seem to have a problem with that.
If people reacting negatively to out right terrible advice or behavior is gonna be hard for you to deal with, maybe go hang out with some robots for a while. Now are we done derailing this thread?
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BP's require very specific temps and humidity, and are often not very tolerant of handling. From what you're saying it sounds like you'd be doing most of the care for this snake, so I'd really not recommend a BP. You are just 13, and from what it sounds like, you have no experience keeping reptiles at all. For someone your age keeping a BP healthy and happy without any parental help could be pretty difficult. Plus, there is a lot of equipment you need for BPs (heat mats, thermostats, heat bulbs or CHEs, ect) that can get kind of pricey (like hundreds of dollars). Research is good, but it's not a substitute for actual experience.
I HEAVILY disagree.
Where does experience start? Ball Pythons are very easy to take care of. Make sure you buy the initial supplies first. The enclosure and thermostat are the biggest expense, and feeding one BP is not expensive -- ask the breeder if the snake is a good eater! Buy the supplies first, obviously, so that you don't have a snake but have to save up for the supplies. I feel like you'd do that anyways, it sounds like you're a thoughtful person. All my racks are used, as are two of my thermostats, except my Herpstat. I seriously have huts and water dishes -- enough for 20 snakes, my turtles, and then some -- plus a snake hook I don't need/want, and some other stuff I got for $40 off of a local reptile forum from someone who was getting rid of his snake selection. I'd look for some things used, like the enclosure and tank decorations. You can build enclosures too, which can be cheap and also further help prove your dedication to your parents, or even provide you with a way to do something WITH your parents to get them involved in your new pet. There are guides online for things like this. The BP can even be free or cheap -- my first BP was a free rescue, which ignited my passion -- I now have 20 of the critters. I had never had a snake when I got my first BP, and expected my first to be a colubrid. I was not perfect at first, I did have a bit of small trial and error with temps and humidity, sure, but fixing it was easy enough. And I got the snake before the research and supplies (would not recommend, but I was saving the animal from a really, really, really bad situation and I had to make a fast choice -- again, very specific situation here, I wasn't looking for a pet snake, I was saving someone else's). I was probably 16 or 17 at the time. Try looking into rescue, reptile show, or breeder instead of an over-priced pet store, who will try to also sell you many things you might not need.
Experience starts somewhere. It starts after you've done good research, which is sounds like you've done. If this reasoning was always used, every person to finally take the leap to gain experience would be deemed irresponsible. Sure, a corn snake might be easier in different ways, but a BP is also easy.
I started raising finicky amphibians and chameleons at 11. The chameleons were admittedly also partially my parents', the toads and frogs were mine. I also acquired a snapping turtle at 13. Those, in my opinion, are harder than a BP in requirements, and probably should not have been a child's pets. I've also had numerous colubrids, and found them to be more flighty, more nippy, more smelly/messy, and, depending on the species, harder than BPs. BPs often use less bedding, many are calm, and there are many resources for them. I was a child who had a passion for animals, read and researched them extensively. If you're 13 years old, and you've written a persuasive essay or two to convince your parents, have read and researched many things, and come to a forum to learn more, I think you're a kid that's ready to have a BP as a pet. I'm not really sure I understand the bias about them not being a beginner's snake. Mangrove snakes, hognose snakes (maybe), vine snakes, sunbeam snakes...obviously hot snakes...large, large constrictors...THOSE are snakes that I'd NOT recommend to you as a beginner/child! While it's true that most reptiles have specific needs, BPs needs' are easy enough to accommodate, and they're hardy enough, readily captive-bred, and more are gentle than not.
If you MUST get a colubrid, I would not recommend a garter -- I love them personally, but they're energetic and often flighty. The few I've had/rescued/worked with (I used to work at a nature center) were not the most fun to handle. Cornsnakes, Ratsnakes, Milksnakes, and Kings are awesome. Keep in mind that some of them get much larger than 3 feet. The Eastern Black Rat is the longest native snake in North America I believe. Most cornsnakes don't reach 5 feet, but I had a male who did.
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