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Lol your the one turning this into a chirpfest , all i ment is for this guy to listen to the advice HE asked for and not rage when someone tells you something you dont wanna hear

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Originally Posted by pailspailspails

Lol your the one turning this into a chirpfest , all i ment is for this guy to listen to the advice HE asked for and not rage when someone tells you something you dont wanna hear

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One of the most frequent complaints I see on the forum has to do with people being mean to new people asking beginner questions. And as far as I can tell, your VERY FIRST POST on this forum was with the intention of being mean and for no other reason. At least the OP is asking questions. Whether or not he wishes to follow the advice given, is entirely up to him. At least he's concerned enough to ask. When people get the feeling that they're just being beaten up, they tend to quit asking questions and become poorer snake keepers for it.

I have no idea what a 'chirpfest' is.

Ok let's be honest though, anyone who has read this guys last threads we know he doesn't really want or take any advice given. He just gets his rocks off on arguing with people and defending himself over and over again. I am still convinced this guy is a troll because he types like he's talking in a grand theft auto game.


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Mark shut the heck up this is reptile talk not therapy stop talking about feelings, grow up and stick to the issue and not the people posting

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Originally Posted by pailspailspails

Mark shut the heck up this is reptile talk not therapy stop talking about feelings, grow up and stick to the issue and not the people posting

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You forgot some of these , . . , , , .

:bye:

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all i ment is for this guy to listen to the advice HE asked for and not rage when someone tells you something you dont wanna hear

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I really didn't want to make a comment in this thread, I think I told everything what I can in the older ones.

It's far from me to protect the OP, seen how he acts childish if he get an advice what he don't want to hear, but...
He had a small aquarium with !gravel! under two BP-s. What did he do? He listen the advices (okay... not every...)and try to change. Better substrate, UTH, bigger cage, thermo/hygrometer. It's an other question, that is not the best setup what you can get, but I can say.. much better if you compare that what he had before.

Look behind... maybe he have a little conflict addiction, but slowly he make corrections in his husbandry.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Many people, myself included have very successfully housed multiple snakes together without any problems whatsoever, cannabalism in ball pythons is EXTREMELY rare. Why is it that everyone seems to use that as an example of why not to house animals together? I prefer not to house multiple snakes together myself, but it has NOTHING to do with cannabalism.

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Although cannibalism is rare, there is a chance of it happening. I think many people just don't want to risk it, even if it's only a 1% chance of it happening. Plus, being housed together causes unnecessary stress on the snakes and I wouldn't want to put my snakes, let alone any animal, through constant stress. I think that's why many people say not to house snakes together.

The only thing I'd like to point out is that the snakes won't care if they're siblings or not, if conditions are right for mating (and since the goal is to have ideal living conditions year round, they should be right all the time) whichever male has access to the female will go for it which doesn't sound like what you want. I remember you put a hole in the bottom of the divide between the two sides of the enclosure you're building, I would just recommend plugging it back up and keeping them both separate until breeding is desired. Sheet rock for hides is also going to be more expensive than fashioning one out of a litter pan or buying a nicer natural looking hide from the pet store (or online, amazon tends to be a cheap option more often than not).

How did you seal the interior? My husband and I are working on a beardie terrarium and aren't quite sure how to finish the wood and seal it. He liked the idea of grout and mod podge, but that sounds hard to clean to me.

Wow. This thread has gotten way out of control. Bottom line is the OP is going to do whatever the heck they want to. Sometimes we get newbies on here that ask questions but choose not to listen to our advice. That is totally on the OP. I see no reason to disrespect a mod though. That is totally uncalled for.

My advice to the OP Is this. Do whatever you want but don't come crying when things don't work out for your snakes. You ASSume you know what you are doing and that is fine. Many of the people that have commented on this thread know a hell of a lot more then most about taking care of these wonderful creatures. You seem to be a little cocky and hasty in your decisions. But hey, you're a newbie and apparently know better.

My final words are this, GOOD LUCK.


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Originally Posted by Ballpythoncrazy

Although cannibalism is rare, there is a chance of it happening. I think many people just don't want to risk it, even if it's only a 1% chance of it happening. Plus, being housed together causes unnecessary stress on the snakes and I wouldn't want to put my snakes, let alone any animal, through constant stress. I think that's why many people say not to house snakes together.

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I'm just curious if anyone on this site has had BP cannabilism actually happen.

People used to constantly warn about the danger of pine bedding poisoning their snakes, or the danger of BP's ingesting bedding while feeding and becoming impacted. Skiploder started asking people for their personal experiences (not anecdotes found on the web) regarding those events.

This warning of BP cannabilism kind of reminds me of that for some reason. I could be wrong, it could be happening, but I'd like to hear from someone who has actually had one BP eat another while both snakes were in that person's care and housed together. I've seen plenty of people on here post they have successfully housed BP's together, but don't recall seeing anyone say they've experienced BP cannabilism personally.

EDIT: Actually, this is way off topic. If the mods want to move it or even delete it's, I'll understand.