Dealing with suspicious breeders

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Also his "collection" lists a Citrus Pastel Spector and a Spector YB Enchi Fire Pastel but nothing on this proven breeder he is offering you either.
Depending on the distance, I would be riding in for collections. :salute:

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Recieve a reply almost instantly... Here is his most recent reply. I feel seriously insulted as a customer

You paid for a snake you will get a snake...... It took you lots of time and lies to send me the money and I feel that the snake is dead because of your delay to complete out agreement. As I was waiting and feeding your snake for 7 months cause of your inability to find money now you will need to wait for me as well...... It's a 2 way deal and I think it's fair for you to wait.
This is my final decision and there is no point of back and forth
You will get what you paid for sure.
If you don't want to part in good ways it will be your choice cause I feel I'm the loser in this case.


omg what should I do.... He is not going to refund me....

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Originally Posted by threezero

Recieve a reply almost instantly... Here is his most recent reply. I feel seriously insulted as a customer

You paid for a snake you will get a snake...... It took you lots of time and lies to send me the money and I feel that the snake is dead because of your delay to complete out agreement. As I was waiting and feeding your snake for 7 months cause of your inability to find money now you will need to wait for me as well...... It's a 2 way deal and I think it's fair for you to wait.
This is my final decision and there is no point of back and forth
You will get what you paid for sure.
If you don't want to part in good ways it will be your choice cause I feel I'm the loser in this case.


omg what should I do.... He is not going to refund me....

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Tell him you're taking him to court. You didn't pay for just ANY snake. You paid for a specific morph. If he can't hand you that snake right now, you take him to court. You fight him. Don't take this lying down. This is completely unacceptable. He agreed to the pay plan. If he can't follow through now, that is NOT your fault - that is HIS fault. He knew how long it would take for you to complete the payments, and then HE refused to ship you the snake due to weather. It's not your fault. He owes you your snake, and since he is claiming it is dead, he needs to refund your money. Or you need to take his arrogant self to court and show him that he can't just bully you into letting him take your $2500. That is fraud.

Since there were no specific terms he can't blame you for taking that long, as for him not wanting to issue a refund it is totally unacceptable, not only he has been stalling but now he is not capable to send the animal since it has died. You can't keep the money if you can't ship the exact animal a customer has paid for.

Posting on the BOI is definitely in order, so gather any communication you may have (screen shots of your emails) as well as proof of payment and go and create a thread.

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You paid for a snake you will get a snake...... It took you lots of time and lies to send me the money and I feel that the snake is dead because of your delay to complete out agreement.

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That is the craziest thing I have ever read. You paid for a specific snake and should get that specific snake not just a snake. As for the rest how can a delay cause a snake to die??? Does he stop to care for his animals when they are put on a payment plans.

This guys seems to have some serous ethics issue.

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Originally Posted by RockNRollProcelain

Items not received or a potential fraudulent seller
If you sent a payment but haven’t received what you paid for, or believe the seller to be fraudulent, you should visit our Resolution Center. We’ve developed several programs to help protect you, and opening a dispute is the first step to help get your problem resolved. Here’s how:

1. Log in to your PayPal account.
2. Click Resolution Center near the top of the page.
3. Click Dispute a Transaction.
4. Select either Item dispute or Unauthorized transaction, depending on the nature of your dispute.
5. Follow the directions.

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Could have been an option however you can only file a claim within 45 days and the transaction occurred between August and December.

After 4 months it would be very hard for anyone to get their money back, even credit card company probably require a complaint to be filed within a certain amount of time.

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Originally Posted by threezero

Recieve a reply almost instantly... Here is his most recent reply. I feel seriously insulted as a customer

You paid for a snake you will get a snake...... It took you lots of time and lies to send me the money and I feel that the snake is dead because of your delay to complete out agreement. As I was waiting and feeding your snake for 7 months cause of your inability to find money now you will need to wait for me as well...... It's a 2 way deal and I think it's fair for you to wait.
This is my final decision and there is no point of back and forth
You will get what you paid for sure.
If you don't want to part in good ways it will be your choice cause I feel I'm the loser in this case.


omg what should I do.... He is not going to refund me....

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Small Claims Court action should be fairly cheap to initiate and could recover your cash.
It also provides verifiable public records of issues with a seller that would slam shut a BOI warning others to be more selective in who they deal with.

He is calling me a liar and I know he monitor this thread now.


Just to to put it out the reason I had to delay payment was that my grandpa died in china and I had to go back to china. I have both death certificate and and plan ticket invoice. I was involve in quite a serious car accident when I got back from china for which I have both insurance paper and photo of totalled car to back up.

Please do not accuse me of lying. I was In communication the whole way letting you know what's going on. You on the other hand did not update me and only give me info when I push for it and when the time comes to finally deliver I was greet with "dead snake pleae wait some more"


Chris do post your side. I'm not pointing fingers at anything right now. All I want is an refund which as your customer I should be entitled to after the original snake I pay for has die.

Yeah, with those responses from the seller it's time to take this to the BOI.

Remember there is NO GUARANTEE the next clutch from him will have the morph you want and originally paid for!!!! He cannot control genetic combinations to guarantee anything in offspring....


get your money back!!!!! Report this entire situation to BP.net and BIO on faunaclassifieds so other people dont have to go through what you went through!!!!!

File a complaint with paypal or credit card company! They both allow for disputes regarding failure of delivery of goods and services from merchants.

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Originally Posted by threezero

I use email transfer for a portion of it and I believe PayPal for some. It's been a while I need to look through my emails.

But it I have email history that show him acknowledging receiving my payment

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Paypal allows for disputes!!!!

Also so does banks!!!!

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Small Claims Court action should be fairly cheap to initiate and could recover your cash.
It also provides verifiable public records of issues with a seller that would slam shut a BOI warning others to be more selective in who they deal with.

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In most states in the United States at least the amount in question would raise it OUT of small claims court...

Also paypal will sometimes make exceptions if you are past the 45 day rule if you did not receive anything. I think you have to call them for that though.