Not thrilled with LLL Reptile.

Oh where to start... I'm not sure why Rob is so fired up over this. Mike posted his experience. That is all. Like Kodie said, what about the boi? You can bet that If I had a less than pleasant experience with a purchase, I'd post about it. If nothing else so others can at least be wary/cautious doing business with said person.

That being said, If I purchased a snake that died within 10 days, I certainly wouldn't want another animal from the same place. If a full refund wasn't an option, then I'd just be up poop creek and out the money. So while them offering credit or another animal would be a nice jesture on their part, it would not be a solution, if it were me. So it would boil down to policy , and customer is just sol. Which is what happened here.

Also, I don't think it's that big of a leap to another species if you have snake experience, general snake info, and have done research on said species. Mike is not new nor an idiot.

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

I'm not sure why Rob is so fired up over this. Mike posted his experience. That is all.

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Rob is not fired up at all....Mike posted his experience, which is absolutely fine. Mike deserves some sort of resolution...100%. I personally don't believe Mike should have been posting about his thoughts about a possible illness/disease or "something" that may have led to the death of his newly acquired king snake and possibly spread to his collection to make him worry so much if he hasn't noticed any symptoms and is not willing to have a necropsy done. I am a fan of the BOI, as it encourages those with complaints to back up their complaints factually. Mike's snake died, that is a fact. Mike posted that he thinks it may have had something....without a necropsy, there is no verifying what caused the animals death. This is why I personally believe those thoughts were better kept to himself. When it comes to diseases wiping out collections, seeds are very easily planted....even by statements that are made about one own's personal thoughts that he has no intention of having checked out. Again, not fired up at all, just my opinion, that is all.

Not to be a party crasher, but I don't think Mike posted this to get advice on what course of action he should take; this is quickly devolving into a witch hunt over who is to blame and how to get "compensation" from the guilty party. Do we really need to try and pin someone to the wall over this?? I don't think that's what Mike wants...

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Not to be a party crasher, but I don't think Mike posted this to get advice on what course of action he should take; this is quickly devolving into a witch hunt over who is to blame and how to get "compensation" from the guilty party. Do we really need to try and pin someone to the wall over this?? I don't think that's what Mike wants...

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I don't think this is about whose to blame at all. I said what I did, because LLL in their response kinda started the finger pointing, and I simply don't think Mike was at fault. And no, I don't think he posted this for advice. Like I said earlier, he simply posted his experience.

Play nice............

This is more about a vent on something that shouldnt have happened.
Clean the QT rack and move on
There is no way to know if a necropsy would do any good at this point either.
It is what it is, one reason i dont buy from a flipper.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Not to be a party crasher, but I don't think Mike posted this to get advice on what course of action he should take; this is quickly devolving into a witch hunt over who is to blame and how to get "compensation" from the guilty party. Do we really need to try and pin someone to the wall over this?? I don't think that's what Mike wants...

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I agree with you as well, but honestly that's what usually happens when you posts something on the internet. Whether it's on a forum, facebook, or elsewhere there's always going to be someone who will agree, disagree, or remain neutral but everyone is going to put in their input good or bad.

Quit rat-packing Rob. He isn't saying anything that is unreasonable. If Mike is worried about something more sinister, a necropsy is in order.

He can post the results here. If the animal had an underlying condition, then LLL can compensate Mike for the necropsy. If they balk, then they will be outed here in public. I'm sure LLL would realize that the cost ramifications on future business far eclipse picking up the necropsy tab.

If the animal has something that can threaten Mike's collection, then LLL reptile can compensate Mike for the necropsy and they can open a discussion on what other compensation may be in order to ensure the rest of his animals remain healthy.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

It is what it is, one reason i dont buy from a flipper.

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It's about time someone put that out there...........

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Rob is not fired up at all....Mike posted his experience, which is absolutely fine. Mike deserves some sort of resolution...100%. I personally don't believe Mike should have been posting about his thoughts about a possible illness/disease or "something" that may have led to the death of his newly acquired king snake and possibly spread to his collection to make him worry so much if he hasn't noticed any symptoms and is not willing to have a necropsy done. I am a fan of the BOI, as it encourages those with complaints to back up their complaints factually. Mike's snake died, that is a fact. Mike posted that he thinks it may have had something....without a necropsy, there is no verifying what caused the animals death. This is why I personally believe those thoughts were better kept to himself. When it comes to diseases wiping out collections, seeds are very easily planted....even by statements that are made about one own's personal thoughts that he has no intention of having checked out. Again, not fired up at all, just my opinion, that is all.

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A friend had a necro done within the past year on a BP and it ran her $450. I don't have that kind of cash to drop and on top of that it was $50. And On top of that, is there really that much the vet could find on a snake that small?

Like I said (repeating myself AGAIN) I wasn't placing any blame at all with my OP. Between your responses and Jens it brought it out of me to say "well this is really how I feel, but I can't say for sure..." bc I felt like you guys were trying to say it was my fault. I'm speculating, that's all. Someone reading this thread would not read what I wrote and be like "oh LLL are bad people who sell snakes with diseases, Mike said so!" well, except for you apparently...



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It's about time someone put that out there...........

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I'm sorry to butt in but I've been reading and what is a flipper? Lol