Anxanthic snakes

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Then in all honesty, I do not think you have ever seen an MJ Axanthic.
I live 20 minutes from Mark Mandic(the originator of MJ Axanthics and, have seen his snakes on several occasions and have yet to see any or any that others have purchased from him brown out), I've asked him specifically about this issue.
Granted they are less common so there are fewer examples to compare but, even when not mixed with "cleaner" genes all that I have seen have held colour very well.

And, I will say I have seen some very nice TSK line snakes but, I have seen more nice VPI's. And, I've seen some pretty bad examples of both. I believe (but this is just a hypothesis not anything proven in any manner) that attention to detail may have been responsible for the good examples in both lines.

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Must be a different line of "MJ" Axanthic. I was under the impression Mike Jolliff was the founder of the MJ line, which I have seen many many times. It could be that we are indeed talking about different lines.

Ohhh, I never thought of Mike Jolliff and Marcus Jayne (company) having the same initials. I'm pretty sure Raven01 is talking about the Marcus Jayne line (Canadian Mark M. and his wife Jayne). I remember when Marcus Jayne unexpectedly produced an axanthic pied. I didn't realize it was later determined to be a new gene. I also didn't realize Brandon was thinking of the Jolliff line.

Anyone have the Marcus Jayne line in the US? Look forward to it and the Black Axanthic (VPI) becoming more common.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Must be a different line of "MJ" Axanthic. I was under the impression Mike Jolliff was the founder of the MJ line, which I have seen many many times. It could be that we are indeed talking about different lines.

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Yes, we are absolutely discussing 2 separate lines.
I have been using "MJ" to denote Markus Jayne Ball Pythons line. I have not personally seen anything other than photos of Jolliff myself but, from those photos that I have seen I do not doubt your position that these seem to really brown out.

So, you understand which snakes I am referring to check out this guys critters. I drool every time I see his booth, even more so since he's partnered up and is into boa's now too.
https://www.facebook.com/markusjayne.ballpythons

The Lightning Pied, Pastel Lightning Pied, and Butter Blade Clown are just unreal.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Yes, we are absolutely discussing 2 separate lines.
I have been using "MJ" to denote Markus Jayne Ball Pythons line. I have not personally seen anything other than photos of Jolliff myself but, from those photos that I have seen I do not doubt your position that these seem to really brown out.

So, you understand which snakes I am referring to check out this guys critters. I drool every time I see his booth, even more so since he's partnered up and is into boa's now too.
https://www.facebook.com/markusjayne.ballpythons

The Lightning Pied, Pastel Lightning Pied, and Butter Blade Clown are just unreal.

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I see we were discussing different lines.lol. I will also agree with you the Marcus Jayne critters are smokin' axanthics. I didn't know they were altogether a different line.....so that would make 5 separate Axanthic strains now. This could get confusing for people getting into the axanthic game if they don't do their homework. It's already bad enough for me and I've been in the game since albinos were the only morph. After the first 1000 combos I kinda stopped paying close attention.lol.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I've had VPI and SK. Though the SK line is nice, they just don't compare to VPI as adults. This is one of our Pastel VPI girls. She is around 2000 grams. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...psa0e5e77b.jpghttp://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ps91b8a52e.jpg

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Beautiful girl.

I have one of Brandon's VPI's that is around 500gr. I know he's still small but he is just as bright and dark as the day I received him. :gj:
I would post a pick but I just fed him.
Give me a day and I'll download a pic.

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Originally Posted by Wizard

I have one of Brandon's VPI's that is around 500gr. I know he's still small but he is just as bright and dark as the day I received him. :gj:
I would post a pick but I just fed him.
Give me a day and I'll download a pic.

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you need to really REALLY switch back your profile pic to some image of Sid Haig.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-Sidhaig.PNG

Really. Maybe not as evil as last time, but jack nicholson just fails to fill the gap left behind. A deranged looking Jack Nicholsin is less scary than an interested or happy looking Sid Haig. (for the mods: the wikimedia foundation does allow hotlinks, no problem here, the wikimedia foundation is an excellent filehoster and they make it clear that this is accepted.)

about the axanthics: i simply cannot believe that there are more than 3 incompatible lines, its just too weird. let alone 4 or 5 distinct incompatible lines. when you say 5 lines, i am sure some will turn out to be compatible. the question is: which ones?

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

about the axanthics: i simply cannot believe that there are more than 3 incompatible lines, its just too weird. let alone 4 or 5 distinct incompatible lines. when you say 5 lines, i am sure some will turn out to be compatible. the question is: which ones?

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As far as I am aware, none of the 5 are compatible. Very interesting to say the least. I know of at least two lines of hypo that are not compatible. There are similar genes in cornsnakes as well, 3 lines of Axanthics, and 2 or 3 lines of hypo.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Yes, we are absolutely discussing 2 separate lines.
I have been using "MJ" to denote Markus Jayne Ball Pythons line. I have not personally seen anything other than photos of Jolliff myself but, from those photos that I have seen I do not doubt your position that these seem to really brown out.

So, you understand which snakes I am referring to check out this guys critters. I drool every time I see his booth, even more so since he's partnered up and is into boa's now too.
https://www.facebook.com/markusjayne.ballpythons

The Lightning Pied, Pastel Lightning Pied, and Butter Blade Clown are just unreal.

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Oh phew, I thought I was losing my mind for a second when I saw the comments about them browning out. These were the MJ axanthics I was referring to in my previous post (about them being awesome), but since there aren't really that many available I went VPI. I stand by my previous assertation though, none of the lines (with very few exceptions) is particularly exciting as a single gene animal, but if you combine them with other codom genes wisely they can be stunning regardless of the line.

I've seen great examples of every line, it's all about selective breeding. You breed a pretty axanthic to an ugly dull axanthic/normal it's going to have an effect on the offspring.

I would personally stick with a nice vpi or sk because they are easy to come by, and those are the two lines I have seen age very well (of course I have seen a few vpis and sks who look like garbage).

My sk axanthic. I got her from jdconstriction, he has excellent examples of just about every line of axanthic.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/31/9e7yvana.jpg


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