Most browned out Pastel "contest"

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I don't think a thread like this even warrants an argument. It's more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" thread.



Wow. An animal lover who claims that a healthy 'lower grade' animal isn't something to be proud of. And here I am, glad and appreciative just to have two normals.

What a shame things are becoming these days.

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What is a shame is people like you thinking you're the authority, when you have two normals.

There's a reason snakes go back home with breeders at the end of expos. Can't claim prices, everyone drops prices towards the end.

Ugly animals don't sell. Except to people who can't afford the expensive nice looking ones. Or people who don't know what a pastel is.

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Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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No. I disagree, personally. Pastels are suppose to be yellow. That is the trait they are best known for. Otherwise, why use it, if not for the yellow coloration?
A dark pastel for darker combos is not good either in my opinion.
A dark morph is not just dark, imo. Its combination of contrast between the colors. Contrast. For example a mojave.
It can be dark black with yellow markings. That contrast is what makes it attractive compared to a black mojave with muddy brown markings, imo. A black pastel that is black with high contrast orange markings is more desirable than one with dull brown(little to no contrast between the markings and body color).

And when that pastel is combined with the mojave for a pastave, you want that yellow to still pop. The yellow highly contrasts with the darkness of a mojave. Same goes for black pastels and cinnamon.
So I think using a bright pastel or high contrast dark morphs is important, no matter what.

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Why do Pastels only have to be used to go lighter? I would agree that years ago a brown Pastel would be basically worthless. At this point in the game though, with as many morphs are out there now, I think this is pretty limited thinking.

There are lots of directions to go and if you're trying to make light or reduced combos then buy a light Pastel. If you're trying for darker combos wouldn't you want to cross it into darker Pastels?

Just food for thought...

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No, use darker morphs intended to be dark. Pick up a Mojave or cinnamon. Heck, a BLACK pastel!

Pastel, by definition, are meant to be bright yellow. Nothing less.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

People were wondering why the thread took a while to get started and we gave a truthful answer.

Health has nothing to do with this thread. Having a healthy animal is absolutely great no matter what. But this isn't a 'who has the healthiest pastel thread'. Its a 'who has the most browned out pastel'.

And personally, I interpreted that this is a thread that is basically saying 'who has the *least* physically attractive pastel'. And while it was made for fun, I don't find winning that title to be very positive, imo.


Maybe you don't share the notion, but I would not be proud to have my animals labeled as essentially 'ugly'. Especially when I strive my hardest to breed, keep, and obtain the best examples I could find that would make me proud to have in my collection. So them being labeled as 'physically unattractive' would be downright insulting/offensive/shameful/whatever.

Just my $.02

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I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

What is a shame is people like you thinking you're the authority, when you have two normals.

There's a reason snakes go back home with breeders at the end of expos. Can't claim prices, everyone drops prices towards the end.

Ugly animals don't sell. Except to people who can't afford the expensive nice looking ones. Or people who don't know what a pastel is.

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I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it. This thread, originally, wasn't even about the morph trade or how the pastel's involved. OP's simply asking for others to post pics of low quality and brown pastels. Those that do and were willing to share are free to share if they so feel like it.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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Just outside looking in, but you're arguing about the sun rising and Satomi is talking about clouds. Both are in the sky, but are completely different .

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it. This thread, originally, wasn't even about the morph trade or how the pastel's involved. OP's simply asking for others to post pics of low quality and brown pastels. Those that do and were willing to share are free to share if they so feel like it.

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If you feel belittled then you need to get some thicker skin or experience. If it's bad form to mention credibility, or in this case lack there of, then everyone just go home.

Pastel is to be bright, I'd argue it's like dogs and being so brown would disqualify it from being called so.

But by all means, argue more about browned out pastels breeding worth when you don't breed and have two normals. I'm sure a physicist wants your input on his string theory research too. Or multi universe.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I can see that our views on this are probably a total opposite. But, you have your views, and I respect that, and I have mine. That said, it isn't a big deal, and isn't worthy of discussion and as I said before, this thread is more of a "if you like, post; if not, go find something better to do" kind of thread.

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

I'm not claiming to be authority, but I do have the right to speak my mind.
And I find it pitiful to belittle animal life because someone deems it ugly. If you couldn't already tell, this isn't the kind of thread for a prideful breeder. And as I stated before, if you aren't going to contribute to it, possibly because you don't agree with it, then you don't need to post and can just move on, since all you're doing is wasting server bandwidth by arguing over it.

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So it's ok that you have a right to state your opinion, but we can't because our opinion is different?
A little hypocritical isn't it?

Because really, we had an opinion and have a right to speak our minds as well.

And to be honest, I totally forgot about this thread and didn't care about it beyond my initial comment, which was explaining why the thread didn't take off initially. It was done, my word was said and I moved on. But then my post was addressed and apparently warranted further elaboration on my view. If it's not such a big deal, why keep bringing it back up? As I mentioned, beyond my first post, I left the thread completely until you addressed my post.
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We all have our likes and dislikes. While most people like a nice, bright yellow Pastel, there are those of us (me included) who prefer a softer, more golden yellow, so to me the slight browning on both of mine are perfect for me. Most people prefer a reduced pattern Lesser....not me. I chose my Lesser male specifically for his busy pattern. I prefer a more reduced pattern on the Butter...go figure. Seriously though...can't we all just get along? If you don't want to join in this type of thread...then don't put up posts that can come across as attacking others who are joining and ENJOYING the thread. Just my 2 cents. ;)

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Originally Posted by PyramidPythons

We all have our likes and dislikes. While most people like a nice, bright yellow Pastel, there are those of us (me included) who prefer a softer, more golden yellow, so to me the slight browning on both of mine are perfect for me. Most people prefer a reduced pattern Lesser....not me. I chose my Lesser male specifically for his busy pattern. I prefer a more reduced pattern on the Butter...go figure. Seriously though...can't we all just get along? If you don't want to join in this type of thread...then don't put up posts that can come across as attacking others who are joining and ENJOYING the thread. Just my 2 cents. ;)

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My thoughts exactly :) pointless thing to argue about lol. Not even serious at all. I understand everyone's view but still, it's not a big deal.


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