BHB gives info on some scaleless concerns

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Before bhb let some info out, all people had to say is it couldn't find food because it didn't have heat pits and the other big issue was no belly scales so it couldn't move.

obviously it can move and it is eating, so what issues are left with the heat pits? its not being dismissive, its a question.

Also I am color blind and I do just fine :) (btw does not mean i see in black and white)

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See, I don't want to debate with you because I already said that I don't feel strongly about it, but I do believe it would maybe be a bit like purposefully breeding deaf cats or something because you wanted a certain appearance. Deaf cats do just fine in captivity, but they are lacking an important sense that they have come to rely on over millions of years of evolution, and to knowingly take that away, well it seems a bit...unkind? Like I said, I was, and actually am curious as to how this changes their perceptions, both because it could impact my own personal decision to work with them (many years in the future), and because I'm just plain curious.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Knowing Eugene I can assure you they were not random lol from what I hear he and Brian have been having some very "friendly" conversations on this topic as of late.

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You can assure me? How about you go ahead and prove it to all of us, because what I said was exactly the truth. It was random,and they all died quite suddenly and also unexpectedly.


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Originally Posted by Kodieh

You can assure me? How about you go ahead and prove it to all of us, because what I said was exactly the truth. It was random,and they all died quite suddenly and also unexpectedly.


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I don't think he ever claimed to be 'first' on it either. As things stand though it's the only genetically proven line out there...I don't think any hets from the derma ball or purple haze still exist. It's not as if he stole their stock and claimed it as his own project either - it originated from an African import.

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Originally Posted by Xaila

I don't think he ever claimed to be 'first' on it either. As things stand though it's the only genetically proven line out there...I don't think any hets from the derma ball or purple haze still exist. It's not as if he stole their stock and claimed it as his own project either - it originated from an African import.

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Do you know if the derma or purple. Haze were ever genetic as the case with visual hets for Brian? Or did they come up unexpectedly in a "typical" pairing?

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Do you know if the derma or purple. Haze were ever genetic as the case with visual hets for Brian? Or did they come up unexpectedly in a "typical" pairing?

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I ~think~ both came from normal-appearing parents and not visual hets like the scaleless heads. The derma + most of the rest of the collection died after its owner went to jail, afaik. I had heard that the purple haze (which looks just like these guys) died at 800 grams and had not reproduced. I know a bit less about that one though.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

You can assure me? How about you go ahead and prove it to all of us, because what I said was exactly the truth. It was random,and they all died quite suddenly and also unexpectedly.


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Wow don't get your panties in a wad lol take thing too serious much?

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Originally Posted by anatess

I haven't heard this one. Do you have a source?

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Let me repeat my question because it did not get addressed... who/where/when did anybody say that the scaleless ball pythons lack directional heat sensing due to the absence of pits?

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Wow don't get your panties in a wad lol take thing too serious much?

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Well, with the sensitivity of the subject, claims need to be substantiated.

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All this scaleless talk is so 2009. I've developed an invisible ball python. Please see the picture attached to this post of my big male after it swallowed a live rat......and yes, it's a visual het.

After that, I'm going to work on breeding one without any teeth or a tongue. I've leaked this info to a number of people in the hobby and I've received quite a bit of hate mail about it. The nerve of some people, after all , it's not like they live in the wild.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...norway_rat.jpg

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Originally Posted by anatess

Let me repeat my question because it did not get addressed... who/where/when did anybody say that the scaleless ball pythons lack directional heat sensing due to the absence of pits?

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thats basic physics and geometry, based on the fact that any kind of skin or flesh is intransparent to infrared, even otherwise transparent eyeballs are intransparent to it.

and ill let Richard Dawkins explain the geometry issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEKyqIJkuDQ (of course the part where the lens comes in no longer applies to heat pits; the lens would be intransparent to infrared so the pit has to stay open.)

and a physics article about it:
http://phys.org/news76249412.html

http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2006/Snake.jpg

you can find many more articles that mention the importance of the geometry of the pit and explaining that the snake figures out the direction by feeling which parts of the pit heat up and which dont. you can find it in physics, biology and herpetology articles.