My BP drank from my bare hands again!

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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

Again, learn to spell. Learn to read, and then try doing both of them. You still have no idea what you're talking about, and the fact that you can't even see your own contradiction is making it more evident with every ignorant post. Keep calling me kiddo, that juvenile attempt to belittle me is really just reinforcing the fact that your nephew is the brains of the family.

I'll make this very simple. I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, so I'll use small words. We're done here. You have no desire to admit you're wrong, and I have no desire to waste any more of my time reading your misspellings and contradictions. I really don't care if you agree or disagree. Your opinion is completely useless to me and anyone else who has a genuine interest in ball python behavior. Save your opinion and your breath.

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I can spell, mistypes happen sometimes. You're assuming I'm contradicting something because you're not competent enough to comprehend simple phrases and sentences. I'm not wrong because you clearly don't understand what you're talking about, and the fact that you even jumped in the middle without understanding what was being said in the first place. I don't care if my opinion is useless to you, hopefully you'll educate yourself one day by letting the teacher(myself) teach you. I've given you two lessons today, how many do you want?

Grow up and learn what you're talking about in the first place. My original statement still stands. Yea that BP may not strike, or maybe it hasn't struck yet, but that doesn't mean it won't strike. If it suddenly decides to become an aggressive feeder, that's when you'll get bit.

Show me you rubbing a rat on your hands and putting it in front of your snakes, a solid non stop recording video. You may do it 20 times, but of those 20 times, it only takes one time. That's my whole point. His snake is clearly not striking and maybe it hasn't. The simple fact is that doesn't mean it won't or it can't.

Hell, I have a Lemon Blast female that won't eat f/t rodents. I was curious so I rubbed the rat on my hand and put it in front of her nose and she did not strike at all. She's an absolute sweet heart, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't strike at me if she wanted to. Now on the other hand when I heat up my rodents if I walk past my Sable and Bumblebee tub they will strike at the tub. No rat in sight, do you know why? It's because the scent is in the air and it's a moving heat source. Now both of those snakes have never bit me, but they are also aggressive feeders.

Now my Sable Pin & Mojave are aggressive feeders but won't strike at me when my hand goes in front of the tub without a rat. Snakes do vary on a case by case basis, but when in feeding mode, senses take over vision.

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Originally Posted by Neal

I can spell, mistypes happen sometimes. You're assuming I'm contradicting something because you're not competent enough to comprehend simple phrases and sentences. I'm not wrong because you clearly don't understand what you're talking about, and the fact that you even jumped in the middle without understanding what was being said in the first place. I don't care if my opinion is useless to you, hopefully you'll educate yourself one day by letting the teacher(myself) teach you. I've given you two lessons today, how many do you want?

Grow up and learn what you're talking about in the first place. My original statement still stands. Yea that BP may not strike, or maybe it hasn't struck yet, but that doesn't mean it won't strike. If it suddenly decides to become an aggressive feeder, that's when you'll get bit.

Show me you rubbing a rat on your hands and putting it in front of your snakes, a solid non stop recording video. You may do it 20 times, but of those 20 times, it only takes one time. That's my whole point. His snake is clearly not striking and maybe it hasn't. The simple fact is that doesn't mean it won't or it can't.

Hell, I have a Lemon Blast female that won't eat f/t rodents. I was curious so I rubbed the rat on my hand and put it in front of her nose and she did not strike at all. She's an absolute sweet heart, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't strike at me if she wanted to. Now on the other hand when I heat up my rodents if I walk past my Sable and Bumblebee tub they will strike at the tub. No rat in sight, do you know why? It's because the scent is in the air and it's a moving heat source. Now both of those snakes have never bit me, but they are also aggressive feeders.

Now my Sable Pin & Mojave are aggressive feeders but won't strike at me when my hand goes in front of the tub without a rat. Snakes do vary on a case by case basis, but when in feeding mode, senses take over vision.

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I already told you, I'm done arguing with you about this. If you want to keep going, have at it, but I'm not going to push another moderator into getting in the middle of a discussion that's gotten ridiculous.

I'm going to be as mature about this as I should have been from the beginning, and explain MY point. What you do with that information, if anything, is completely up to you.

It's been my belief, based on my own experience, as well as that of a number of other sources, that many animals, Ball Pythons in particular, are considerably more intelligent than we give them credit for. While every individual animal is unique, there are certain behaviors that can be considered universal within a species. Knowing those behaviors will give you a greater insight into what an animal is likely to do in a given situation. While it's not completely foolproof, beginning with an understanding of an animal's instinctive drives and behavior will allow you to work with or around those behaviors in order to reinforce certain behaviors. It's not a case of "my snake is different, it likes to be held." It's more a case of my snake likes nice even heat, so it will lay in my lap as long as it's warm.

It's not a realistic comparison to judge one species of animal by whether or not it can be trained to do the same things that another can. Your example of teaching a dog to fetch, sit, roll over, etc is a perfect example. A dog processes information completely differently than a snake. The absolute simplest reason for this is that they receive the information differently. We both know snakes have no ears, and only very primitive bone structure within what would evolve into an ear. That means that getting information to a snake's brain is going to require another method.

I don't expect to convince you of this, so take this as you will. While the established theory is that reptiles are very low on intelligence, new research is emerging that shows they're quite a bit more intelligent than we thought. We're just testing them the wrong way.

If you believe that we're wrong, so be it. If you think that we're just begging to get bitten in the process, fine. You are as entitled to your belief as I am. Since neither of us is going to convince the other, let's just call it a difference of opinion and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by jxl

My normal seems alike. He also drinks his water in my presence and also is eating on dining table from hands :P There was this one feeding occasion he just didn't want to eat. He was in his enclosure as always when feeding, but this time he just hasn't had interest in food.

Can't wait to see if I can get mine to drink from my hands :P

There are some crazy snakes running around :D

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Very cool! Were you able to get him to drink from your hands?