BEL Question?

Hahahaha, yes, you could do that too! :P Lemme know what you end up deciding! It'll be interesting either way

No problem I have some time to decide.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

i found the video where i got the idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgDiCZ_IPFY

they really look different under UV light, it could maybe even be used to find out of BELs have any other pattern morph going on, like pinstripe or spider or clown or whatever.

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Not to hijack the thread, but it is BEL related. I am sorry if it has been asked before. How would a Pied BEL look under a UV light? Would you be able to tell what it actually is?

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Originally Posted by adamsky27

Not to hijack the thread, but it is BEL related. I am sorry if it has been asked before. How would a Pied BEL look under a UV light? Would you be able to tell what it actually is?

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does the video not show different BELs under UV light? im confused.

i said it might work, i said under UV there may be a difference between the adults and because the offspring will definitively be 50%/50%, i said that difference might also be visible in the offspring, which might make clear identification possible. Possibilities. What i never said is that it definitively works, or that it works in all cases.

Inspection under UV fluorescence has one weakness: lack of data, too few pictures exist, lack of reference. But it also has a strength: it makes otherwise invisible/hidden patterns visible in BELs. Combine both with experience and the method will have its uses. I didnt say and never said it will help in this case, just that it is something to consider, a possible solution.

And im quite sure with this method you could tell apart a super mojave from a super mojave pied. I am also sure you can use this to differentiate between mystic/phantom lesser and mystic/phantom lesser pied. That is, unless the pied would be "low-white", i mean, so that the stripe/pattern on the back isnt interrupted by the expression of the pied gene. But then, its a bad example, because there is no reason to breed BEL pieds.

Inspection under UV fluorescence will be a powerful tool, once we have images of the UV fluorescence of different morphs of high-white ball pythons. It will be a tool just like eye color or head pattern or belly inspection. You hit the blue-eye lucy pied when the pattern under UV is disrupted by obvious pied influence, just like you hit your albino karma (or any other albino BEL) when the eyes are red. Nothing more, nothing less. Just another source of data. Its unexplored, or not explored far enough. In the end, it will be an indicator just like eye color, that works in some cases and wont work in other cases, but right now there is a massive lack of data. Pictures of high-white pieds under UV showing their fluorescence are nonexistent online. There is a lack in reference points, i searched and so far images or video showing fluorescence of ball pythons under UV is limited to 3 or 4 high-white morphs. And all except one of the data points are based on the NERD video.

It is unexplored territory that can easily be explored. If you have any blue-eye lucys just inspect them under UV and share pictures, if enough people do this we will soon have figured it out.

I'd go for making lesser crystals and mystic potions, myself. I love both of those and I would be super wary about selling snakes I wasn't 100% sure of genetics-wise. If you keep back all the hatchlings to prove out, I guess it doesn't matter. If your super lesser was a super mojo I would definitely suggest making BELs because BELs are beautiful but with a super lesser it makes it hard to tell what's what.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/image...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by adamsky27 http://ball-pythons.net/forums/image...post-right.png
Not to hijack the thread, but it is BEL related. I am sorry if it has been asked before. How would a Pied BEL look under a UV light? Would you be able to tell what it actually is?

oh, sorry, i misunderstood you.....


yes, i think blue-eye lucys that also hit pied could be identified using this method, since the (unfortunately) very few cases of very white ball pythons that can be seen under UV fluorescence online do still show residual/hidden pattern in the fluorescence. And pied is a highly pattern-disrupting pattern morph. To be sure, some pictures of regular pieds under UV-light would be needed, but i guess you could tell them apart quite easily.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/image...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by adamsky27 http://ball-pythons.net/forums/image...post-right.png
Not to hijack the thread, but it is BEL related. I am sorry if it has been asked before. How would a Pied BEL look under a UV light? Would you be able to tell what it actually is?

oh, sorry, i misunderstood you.....


yes, i think blue-eye lucys that also hit pied could be identified using this method, since the (unfortunately) very few cases of very white ball pythons that can be seen under UV fluorescence online do still show residual/hidden pattern in the fluorescence. And pied is a highly pattern-disrupting pattern morph. To be sure, some pictures of regular pieds under UV-light would be needed, but i guess you could tell them apart quite easily.

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Thank you for the reply after you understood what I was asking for. I personally wouldn't mind having a Pied BEL. Whether the naked eye can see it or not.

A pied BEL would still be pretty awesome to have, both from a pet standpoint and a breeding standpoint. Breed it to any pied and you'll potentially get some awesome combo morph pied hatchlings!