Trade value?

I got in the middle of this since I know both parties, and my suggestion to the person who owned the pinstripe was to keep it, breed it and sell a few babies and then buy a pastel calico.
It's a very nice pastel calico but letting go a breedable morph female?
No way this time of year a breedable pinstripe would go out my door to trade for a pastel calico baby.

Is the trade fair?
IMO the pastel calico is worth about the same as the pinstripe, but it makes little sense to do that trade when you could breed the pinstripe and make enough to buy 2 or 3 pastel calico's and still own the pinstripe :gj:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Is the trade fair?
IMO the pastel calico is worth about the same as the pinstripe, but it makes little sense to do that trade when you could breed the pinstripe and make enough to buy 2 or 3 pastel calico's and still own the pinstripe :gj:

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I'm with Jerry on this one. It comes down to what both of you need/want. Sale price on both animals is pretty close. Even if you value your pastel calico a few hundred dollars over the pin (which I've seen breeders ~$800-900), you could make more money than that off the pin in the first year. "Trade value" is not automatically wholesale value, which I think is the number some others have thrown out, especially if the goal is not to just flip the traded animal. Now, if your plan would be to resell the pin immediately, I can see how a straight-up trade would not be favorable against the pastel calico.

When talking trade's money value goes out the window. At this point you're simply trying to trade one animal for another, the money value isn't as important as the ratio of collection potential. Is the animal you're getting going to advance your collection and in-turn producing potential over that of the animal you own.. example, I' trade a breeder Pied female for Juvi LA or clown female..so with trades you need to focus more on the impact the trade has on your collection and nothing else..That's just the way I look at it..

Unless you needed that pin I would of passed too. That pastel calico is hot!

I would value a breeder size female at $800 plus as well.

I would vaue the pin at $800 - $900 as well. As stated earlier, I would keep and breed her and then sell the babies to buy the pastel calico. Breeder size females, even single gene, will always command a premium.

$300-400?!? :O No way!!
Babies go for $300..

I agree with $800-900 for a breeder sized female.

I paid $800 for my pin at 900g two years ago. I would say 600 in trade now. The problem is finding someone to take the gamble. I don't think I would again unless it was a gene I really wanted regardless. I had problems with my pin. The cold temp of shipping stressed her out and she went off feed for 6 months. I paid all the money to breed her that year, but lost on the gamble. It's worth a fair amount, but your market is smaller. Either way your in good position. Keep your price where you want it and keep feeding her. If you don't find a bidder. Just breeder and make some cooler stuff.

Like I said, what I stated is not the rule its an opinion. I never said there was an 'optimal' weight. I simply said that 1300g is not the weight most seek for a breeder female. This is simply based on my own experience and based off of many other breeders that I know. Also for the person who said that the weight doesn't matter as long as the snake has the proper age and body size, I can't seem to make much sense of that. I understand the age part but body size comes with weight so by saying they need the proper body size is basically the same as saying their is a proper weight.

So yes I know that breeding at 1300g is possible and can be done successfully but I personally believe it is better to wait until 1500g or more and I will continue to recommend that to anyone who asks.

But to get back on topic, I believe the two have decided to not make the trade so with that said I believe you made the right choice. If your looking to trade or sell your pastel calico, I believe you can get something much better out of it. Good luck with your future breeding plans.

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Originally Posted by boyer.michael.s

Also for the person who said that the weight doesn't matter as long as the snake has the proper age and body size, I can't seem to make much sense of that. I understand the age part but body size comes with weight so by saying they need the proper body size is basically the same as saying their is a proper weight.

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By body size, they mean the snake has good body condition. The female could be short in length, but has good muscle tone or fat reserves and still weigh under 1400 grams. Some females are just small and just never peak 1500 g. As long as the snake is mature and has a healthy weight to length ratio, breeding can be achieved no problem without complications.

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