What is this?!!!

While I completely agree it is the snake owners full responsibility to find out what happened to that poor snake and to make sure it gets the vet care it NEEDS. But when less than responsible pet owners don't do their part that's when others are supposed to step in. Be it family, friends or some type of animal control authority.. and if no one steps in and they know about it, they in my opinion are just as guilty.

I know if I had a friend who was lacking in responsibility, as hard as it may be, I would of still relayed the findings to my friend ASAP and made sure the animal was seen by a vet, I would take it myself if need be. I would rather my friend be upset at me or their self or both than to imagine what kind of pain that snake might be in. Especially if your friend asked you to do any kind of research on the matter, that tells me he/she should be ready for any news.

Such a gut wretching, sad story to read about, an accident turning into abuse/neglect.. sorry if I step on some toes, I always keep my mouth shut as I dont like fighting or drama but when it comes to animals that don't a voice, that's when I speak up. You can't tell me that poor girl didn't feel the pain of her life!! That breaks my heart.. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that animal needed a vet. By not taking it, i think its abuse.

I kept watching this thread hoping to see an update that included vet care but it hasn't came yet..

Ps if that poor girl makes it, someone would have to be very selfish to ever breed her again.

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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

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My friends spider layed 4 eggs the other day. The 5th one was stuck deep inside her. We waited 2 days before gently massaging it out. It took little effort to get it to slide out. But this stuff came with it! Should we be worried?
She bled a little bit today also...

This is a butterxspider clutch

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I have to agree that your first post reads that you were an active and vested party. WE waited, WE gently massaged it out, and should WE be worried.

Not, HE waited, and HE gently massaged it out and should HE be worried.

I can understand why the replies were directed at you as one half of WE.

Now that he has all this information, has she been taken to the vet now?

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Oh, for heaven's sake. Now we are defending ourselves when we got called out for being fingerpointing blame faces. I'm not even convinced massaging that slug out was the wrong thing to do---a *qualified herp vet* could have done better, sure, maybe, but it was in there for over 24 hours. That's egg binding. Somebody probably had to massage that egg out, because it would have killed her in another couple of days. Don't make me link to all the places where this forum has advised some owner to palpate something out of their snake, bound eggs included. There's a good chance the friend saved the life of the spider, even if she'll never breed again. After a clutch like that, maybe she should never breed again anyway? Maybe she just wasn't built for it.

Sure, I think a vet trip NOW would be a good idea. Absolutely, I think some antibiotics would be a good idea. Yeah, I think her breeding days are over. But it sounds like maybe she simply wasn't really built quite right for breeding to begin with. IK came here asking for our opinions didn't they? I think they deserve come credit.

And it's not IK's snake, and ultimately not IK's decision. And I think IK has done the right thing, as far as they are able to.

What's done is done. We can urge IK to keep urging their friend to take that spider girl to the vet? But blaming IK is pointless. We're just driving him away. "Friendliest online community", huh? C'mon guys, we can do better.

What's done is done.

I'm frankly pretty disappointed in us right now.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Oh, for heaven's sake. Now we are defending ourselves when we got called out for being fingerpointing blame faces. I'm not even convinced massaging that slug out was the wrong thing to do---a *qualified herp vet* could have done better, sure, maybe, but it was in there for over 24 hours. That's egg binding. Somebody probably had to massage that egg out, because it would have killed her in another couple of days. Don't make me link to all the places where this forum has advised some owner to palpate something out of their snake, bound eggs included. There's a good chance the friend saved the life of the spider, even if she'll never breed again. After a clutch like that, maybe she should never breed again anyway? Maybe she just wasn't built for it.

Sure, I think a vet trip NOW would be a good idea. Absolutely, I think some antibiotics would be a good idea. Yeah, I think her breeding days are over. But it sounds like maybe she simply wasn't really built quite right for breeding to begin with. IK came here asking for our opinions didn't they? I think they deserve come credit.

And it's not IK's snake, and ultimately not IK's decision. And I think IK has done the right thing, as far as they are able to.

What's done is done. We can urge IK to keep urging their friend to take that spider girl to the vet? But blaming IK is pointless. We're just driving him away. "Friendliest online community", huh? C'mon guys, we can do better.

What's done is done.

I'm frankly pretty disappointed in us right now.

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Thanks.

To clear things up again... I told the owner of the snake everything discussed here as soon as possible

What i dont get is why it is MY resposibilty to take it to the vet. Or MY REPSONSIBILITY to research this topic.

I was merely an observer in this breeding, not a participant. When i saw things got hairy i came here for help. Sorry if my response wasnt as fast as you would like but it wasnt because i was negligent. AS SOON AS I GOT THE INFO I GOT IT TO HIM AS SOON AS I COULD.

i did my part. I dont think i deserve to have to defend myself to a bunch of people that judged me as soon as they saw the picture.

When i said "we" in my first post it was simply because i am the one posting this thread. I didnt realize my comments would be analyzed by forensic scientist looking to pick a fight. Ive lost alot of respect for a lot of people here.

I also think everyone here needs to relax.

Knowing about the situation and advising the owner to take action is all IK can do. Lets be real here. This is a snake, even if they were to call ASPCA or something I doubt they would do anything about it. Best case scenario they would euthanize it. This is not a cute little puppy or kitty. :/

Obviously the snake should be seen by the vet. If the owner is too ignorant to take IKs advice, then that is that. We can't save them all.

There are most likely hundreds of ball pythons out there who die because of improper care, early breeding, or just plain negligence. A forum is not going to be able to save each and every one. Sometimes we just have to take our losses and provide support. It seems to me like this situation was inevitable. If the snake dies, it dies. Lets move on and stop blaming one another for what "should" have happened. There is nothing we can do about it.

We are all passionate about these animals. Questioning someones passion because they wanted to help a friend out is so incredibly wrong on so many levels. The main reason the OP came here was to HELP THE SNAKE. Whats that you say? Thats what you would like as well? What a coincidence!

We are all here for the same reason. Stop treating one another like monsters.

Any updates on how is the SNAKE doing?

Any updates??

Updates on this?