Eyeless Piebald Clutch

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Originally Posted by MrLang

We can't prove whether this is genetic failure, incubation related deformity, or anything else. It would be ridiculous to think that every time an eyeless snake is born it is from the exact same variable. What if it's genetic weakness being encouraged by unstable incubation temps? Maybe this poor gene rides silently in snakes that don't experience incubation spikes. The point is, we have no idea how this comes to be.

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I agree with this, which is why I want to keep the Defect Documentary thread updated as much as possible.
I would like to see if there is any related correlation or variable. Perhaps we can conclude some sort of cause for certain deformities other than random mutation, temp flux, etc etc..

I actually own an albino Burmese with one eye, she is about 4 months old and is one of the best snakes I own. She is a great eater, though the food has to be alive to get her attention but with a close eye I'm not too worried about it. I had never heard of a snake born in captivity with one or no eyes until I got her then it seems like I've seen a lot of posts about them.

We have seen some eyeless Ball pythons over the years. Never a thriving animal though, always accompanied by some other issue. I don't know if it is nature or nurture, but I do know it has been discussed more frequently as of late-

The Reptile Report- Recent eyeless python stories

I think they'll be great! and, if you need a home for one, get in touch with me =3

If you need to rehome ill spend my time taking care of one.

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Originally Posted by MorphatitusReptiles

If you need to rehome ill spend my time taking care of one.

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Originally Posted by iPanda

I think they'll be great! and, if you need a home for one, get in touch with me =3

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This is not the place I would appreciate if you could take this to PM, same for any possible further inquiry.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Deborah

This is not the place I would appreciate if you could take this to PM, same for any possible further inquiry.

Thank you

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oops, my bad >.< newb mistake.

I'm sorry to hear about this. I hope they all do well.

Have they come out of the eggs yet? :D

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Originally Posted by MrLang

We can't prove whether this is genetic failure, incubation related deformity, or anything else. It would be ridiculous to think that every time an eyeless snake is born it is from the exact same variable. What if it's genetic weakness being encouraged by unstable incubation temps? Maybe this poor gene rides silently in snakes that don't experience incubation spikes. The point is, we have no idea how this comes to be.

I'm firmly of the opinion that no eyeless snake should be bred unless the eye was removed by a bad feeding incident or something AFTER its birth. There is simply no way to justify this in my mind except ignorance to genetics (in which case you shouldn't be breeding animals) or sheer greed (in which case you shouldn't be breeding animals).

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Agreed, and I forgot to mention in my post that, no matter what occurs with the parents of this clutch (whether they are demonstrated to produce eyeless babies again or not; whether there were major notable incubation faults or not), I would absolutely never advise breeding these or ANY deformed offspring. De-novo mutations pop up in captivity all the time ... There's a founder for every mutation. :O

That's why I would not fault or demonize someone who elected to humanely euthanize deformed offspring instead of trying to find a permanent, non-breeder home -- which may to a tall order in this industry, IMO.