Maybe it's just me, but...

Wilomn is in no way participating in an intellectually expressive or stimulating conversation. I am all for controversial topics, heated debates and expressing your opinion.. but seriously I find everything Wilomn has written so far offensive. It is one thing to express an opinion, to ask questions and carry out a discussion to help the opposite party clarify their own statement or ideas. You do not have to be rude just because you don't agree or understand what another person is attempting to express. What you are doing is not participating in a discussion, just disrupting the flow of conversation.

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Originally Posted by William C

Think about it like this.... people that breed simply for money will sell a snake to the first person that has the cash. It's like a pet store, they sell a pet without knowing what is going to happen after that pet makes it to its new home. These people buying your morphs might not have a clue how to take care of it. So basically the snake is doomed from the start. Just like when I purchased my Salmon boa, nobody asked me if I knew anything about how to care for snakes. I paid them, and the snake was shipped immediately. That, in my opinion, seems like they don't care what happens to the snakes after they are sold. I don't care if you agree with me or not, but that is just wrong.

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Depending on where you found your boa I don't think it's fair to equate the situation to a pet store. If I post an ad here or on Kingsnake.com or Fauna I think it's fair to assume the buyer has some knowledge of what they are getting into because the average person who is just getting into the hobby most likely isn't going to know about those sites. If I decide to re-home something on Craigslist I make sure that the person it is going to knows how to care for it. To me Craigslist is more like a pet store and sites like fauna or even reptile expos are more like selling to friends.

I believe that there might be people out there who are after a quick buck but I don't think they hang around long. It's too much work to care for and maintain a good collection to do it if you are only looking to make money. You have to have some passion to keep/do anything.

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I don't agree with way this topic was brought up but it can be frustrating how saturated the market can get. I often worry about the market collapsing due to constant under cutting. I don't want to breed to make money but I would like to be able to cover my reptile related expenses and grow my collection. However, everybody has the right to work with reptiles, and complaining about it is hypocritical. It mostly frustrates me when people get into it solely for the money because I've noticed in my personal network, a lot of neglect and disinterest in the animal's well being in those circumstances. I had a freak out at a personal friend of mine who hasn't fed his animals in 3 months because he's busy with work.. I work 2 jobs and often work 12 hour shifts 6 days a week and my animals ALWAYS get fed. To me I see a difference between people who get into it ONLY for the money and people who genuinely enjoy the hobby. With that said, there is nothing wrong with trying to make a lucrative business out of the hobby, or a name for yourself in the industry as long as you are able to remember that the animals are living creatures and not commodities. They deserve respect and proper care, and if your incapable of providing that than you shouldn't be breeding. There are plenty of money making opportunities out there. I understand the under lining point to this thread but you went off on a rant in the worst place possible. Haha

My point here is that everybody has the right to try and make money off of their animals, as long as they are capable of doing it humanely and with dignity and concern. Those who solely do it for the cash often find there better off financially working at McDonalds LOL, and lucky people like the ones in this forum get to swoop in and provide these animals with good homes. :)

Cheers,
Chris.

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Passionate people are passionate about their passions.

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

Wilomn is in no way participating in an intellectually expressive or stimulating conversation. I am all for controversial topics, heated debates and expressing your opinion.. but seriously I find everything Wilomn has written so far offensive. It is one thing to express an opinion, to ask questions and carry out a discussion to help the opposite party clarify their own statement or ideas. You do not have to be rude just because you don't agree or understand what another person is attempting to express. What you are doing is not participating in a discussion, just disrupting the flow of conversation.

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Sometimes it's easier to just ignore his drivel as he is always right, and you will always be wrong. I'm sure he'll post up in a few minutes telling me how wrong I am...:D

I just can't appreciate out right animosity. I love debates, even the occasional intellectual "argument." If you disagree with someone thats fine, but just attacking someone doesn't provide your audience with a stimulating read, and its not justified, or interesting.

Its just an opinion, if you disagree thats Great! but try to provide a stimulating argument.... don't just call me names.

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Originally Posted by William C

I see this forum hasn't changed a bit since we started it years ago. This is the exact reason why we got rid of it. One person has an opinion and everyone else wants to try to make them feel bad about it.

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Originally Posted by William C

no, i mean when we created the website. i was part owner of this site before we sold it.

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You have a fascinating take on the history of this site, Will. I'll admit I've never been one to laud the perfection of my own memory, but I'm quite sure your memory of the early history of BP.net has little to do with what really happened or why. At least, judging by these statements.

Tell me, Will...since you were so instrumental in the "getting rid of" the site, and the "selling" of the site....what was your cut of the sale price? What did you get out of it?

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

I just can't appreciate out right animosity. I love debates, even the occasional intellectual "argument." If you disagree with someone thats fine, but just attacking someone doesn't provide your audience with a stimulating read, and its not justified, or interesting.

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And what you appreciate is important to me...why?

How about this, you do things your way and I won't be whining or complaining or getting my panties all knotted up and I'll do things my way and you unknot yours, stop the whining and realize that what you think you see may not be there. I could show you animosity, but that's more work than you're worth at the moment, but trust me if you please, you ain't seen it in this thread yet. Nor have you seen an attack. Just because I don't dandle some dork on my knee because he wasn't smart enough to think through what he meant to say doesn't make me the big meanie. You kids are too used to having everything dulled and curved with seven languages of instructions and what not to do.

This is real life darlin, and sometimes people use bigboy language. If you don't like it, well, you've got choices to make.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And what you appreciate is important to me...why?

How about this, you do things your way and I won't be whining or complaining or getting my panties all knotted up and I'll do things my way and you unknot yours, stop the whining and realize that what you think you see may not be there. I could show you animosity, but that's more work than you're worth at the moment, but trust me if you please, you ain't seen it in this thread yet. Nor have you seen an attack. Just because I don't dandle some dork on my knee because he wasn't smart enough to think through what he meant to say doesn't make me the big meanie. You kids are too used to having everything dulled and curved with seven languages of instructions and what not to do.

This is real life darlin, and sometimes people use bigboy language. If you don't like it, well, you've got choices to make.

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You do realize that you still haven't said anything of value or depth.. Now understand with that said.. I do enjoy reading your posts, they make me smile ;) What they lack in intellectual or educational value.. they make up for in entertainment and dramatic effect. Its one of the reasons I rarely post on this site but read it frequently. Its better then a pop entertainment mag.

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Originally Posted by sissysnakes

You do realize that you still haven't said anything of value or depth.. Now understand with that said.. I do enjoy reading your posts, they make me smile ;) What they lack in intellectual or educational value.. they make up for in entertainment and dramatic effect. Its one of the reasons I rarely post on this site but read it frequently. Its better then a pop entertainment mag.

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While I agree that wilomn could tone it down a bit, I do have to point out that you are not saying anything deep or particularly valuable either. I think you can give someone's posts a "negative" rating if they bother you that much.