What is this?

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Originally Posted by PiedPeddler

The patterned areas do not look Pied to me. The Pied gene not only creates the white, but it also messes with both the color and pattern of the patterned areas. Those areas typically have a light dorsal stripe bordered by dark dorsal stripes on each side, or they may have a chaotic pattern, or a mixture of light dorsal stripe and chaotic pattern. You can take a picture of the patterned area of a Pied with no white included and you can tell the pattern is tweaked. When you add Pastel, the pattern usually tweaks even more. Pieds typically have neither orderly arranged “alien heads” on their sides nor black backs.

This specimen has “alien head” pattern on the sides its neck. It also has nicely arranged “alien heads” and black-back pattern near its tail. To me, those areas look like a nice black-back Pastel, not Piebald.

I’d say repeat the pairing again. You might have something new. You could also get yourself a Pied male to breed to your female and see if you get any Pieds.

Really sorry for you that it didn't hatch. It looks like it would have been beautiful.

-Paul

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I agree that it definitely doesn't have your typical pied pattern in the non white areas, but I'd also breed the same pair next year to find out for sure. Sorry for your loss!

IMO it can't be paradox because paradox snakes have normal patterns where they are paradox, not pure white. Although the pure white areas are fairly normal with paradox-ish champagnes. It looks like a pastel pied to me. Mom and dad must both be 100% het pieds, you got super lucky there!

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Originally Posted by gcanibe

I am very confused :(

I'll have to wait a year

I thought it would have a more accurate response, but I see that there are different points of view

this baby is frozen im going to take more photos, and wait for more answers


Thanks to all who have taken the time to write

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No one is going to be be able to give you THE answer. Ball pythons have so many genetic mutations, incubation factors on pattern/color, and pure luck of unknowingly buying and breeding two het pied animals. The answer is to breed them again next year to find out for sure if it was some sort of fluke, or if you really do have two het pied animals. Although, I really do believe they are het pied animals.

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Originally Posted by ama1997

A killer bee is a super pastel spider. Right? .

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Right , he is the dad.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...erbee_3795.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...erbee_3781.jpg

And the other father

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...es/Male3-5.jpg

So is that a killerbee or a killer looking bumblebee? Is a killerbee a superpastel spider? If the father is a killerbee (superpastel spider) then any normals from the clutch would have to be fathered by the other male. Right or am I wrong? Now if its not a superpastel spider. and just a killer looking bumblebee. Then normals could have been produced, and the only way to tell what the normals are. Would be to breed them back to a ghost,or het ghost.. Right or am I wrong about that. The pied looking thing. I have no clue. Looks pied to me, but im no expert on pieds.

So is the killerbee posted a super pastel spider? Or is it a killer looking bumblebee? I think that info needs to be cleared up first.

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Originally Posted by ama1997

So is the killerbee posted a super pastel spider? Or is it a killer looking bumblebee? I think that info needs to be cleared up first.

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He is a prooved Killer Bee (Super Pastel Spider).
This Year i breed him with other 5 normals and I only got in 2 cluthcs Pastels and Bees, the other 3 are in the incubator.:rolleyes: