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  • 07-02-2012, 12:02 PM
    MorphMaster
    I say keep the major paradox n prove it out
  • 07-02-2012, 05:55 PM
    Pinoy Pythons
    Those are probably one of the hottest paradox Ive seen! :gj:
  • 07-03-2012, 01:06 PM
    Reakt20
    I'm curious as to where the normal came from that was used in this pairing. Do you have the info on the parents of that normal? Is it a captive hatched deal? That would make it a lot more interesting, as if it wasn't already pretty cool!!
  • 07-03-2012, 01:14 PM
    Fixx
    That is the coolest paradox I have ever seen. Congrats.
  • 07-03-2012, 02:30 PM
    Robyn@SYR
    Re: Odd Hatchling.....What is it???
    That's an awesome result!
  • 07-03-2012, 03:33 PM
    Cendalla
    Wow. I bet they did 'The Happy Dance (TM)' when they saw those babies popping out! Weather its repeatable or not- They've got themselves one stellar beauty. Major congrats!:cool:
  • 07-03-2012, 05:00 PM
    twistedtails
    Re: Odd Hatchling.....What is it???
    How is this possible? I though they only have one locus that determines the morph? If what you are saying is possible, we would see this a lot more often as we see genetic flukes all the time. Therefor, we would have seen this already. My bet is the fact that there is something else going on. Two snakes in the clutch have this "bleaching" going on. Is it possible that this is the Eclipse gene at work? Has you buddy bought any animals from Mike Wilbanks?
  • 07-03-2012, 05:41 PM
    Vasiliki
    Re: Odd Hatchling.....What is it???
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twistedtails View Post
    How is this possible? I though they only have one locus that determines the morph? If what you are saying is possible, we would see this a lot more often as we see genetic flukes all the time. Therefor, we would have seen this already. My bet is the fact that there is something else going on. Two snakes in the clutch have this "bleaching" going on. Is it possible that this is the Eclipse gene at work? Has you buddy bought any animals from Mike Wilbanks?

    I'm certainly no expert, but I have heard theories in regards to animals that exhibit paradox traits. Some of those theories including a 'merging' of embryos at very very early stages (cell clusters). Basically, two animals merging into a single animal with two different DNA markers depending on the area in question (pattern). Chimeras have been witnessed in various different animals and all pose unique visual traits.

    Naturally, I'm not anywhere near qualified to delve into the specifics of that, but it was a topic that was brought up in relation to paradox snakes that would actually make sense. Two embryos, two different genetic make-ups (visual) that merged and the genetic information merged to create a paradox.

    As far as I know, paradox animals do not pass on their visual traits. They do not create more paradoxes. So could this also be a case of being a chimera?

    Genetics are a very neat thing, that's for sure.
  • 07-03-2012, 06:15 PM
    kingpin
    Re: Odd Hatchling.....What is it???
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reakt20 View Post
    I'm curious as to where the normal came from that was used in this pairing. Do you have the info on the parents of that normal? Is it a captive hatched deal? That would make it a lot more interesting, as if it wasn't already pretty cool!!

    The female is a CB normal she is a 2007 that i bought from a young man. the parents i can't locate.
  • 07-03-2012, 06:26 PM
    twistedtails
    Re: Odd Hatchling.....What is it???
    E
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vasiliki View Post
    I'm certainly no expert, but I have heard theories in regards to animals that exhibit paradox traits. Some of those theories including a 'merging' of embryos at very very early stages (cell clusters). Basically, two animals merging into a single animal with two different DNA markers depending on the area in question (pattern). Chimeras have been witnessed in various different animals and all pose unique visual traits.

    Naturally, I'm not anywhere near qualified to delve into the specifics of that, but it was a topic that was brought up in relation to paradox snakes that would actually make sense. Two embryos, two different genetic make-ups (visual) that merged and the genetic information merged to create a paradox.

    As far as I know, paradox animals do not pass on their visual traits. They do not create more paradoxes. So could this also be a case of being a chimera?

    Genetics are a very neat thing, that's for sure.

    There are some genes that make white snakes when there are no double BEL genes present. Somebody will know what I'm talking about(it was something like a Mojave Desert and something else crossed). Also, others that throw consistent ringers. If you research the Eclipse gene Mike thinks it is a 3 gene of some sort. The link is here...
    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwAw&dur=158

    It looks somewhat similar. I know MIke doesn't want to release what it is, but, if you send him an email he will tell you if it looks anything like the ones he is hatching I'm sure.
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