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  • 07-02-2012, 03:01 PM
    Navy
    Re: Perhistoric Pets
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    Originally Posted by Charlie Smith View Post
    It's funny to me that no one really knows what those snakes stories were in being shown in the videos posted yet everyone was quick to jump on the hate bandwagon. Someone started the hate and others jumped in. Sad really that one can't keep an open mind about things that typed in a forum. When Jay opened at random any of those plastics were they clean? I believe so.... Could have it been in a temporary cage, again possible so.

    I have been to Prehistoric Pets many times as it is the largest place to see many snakes and I've had a personal tour of behind the scenes that lasted over 2 hours with Tim and it is amazing what they have there in quality and quantity. They do know what they are doing in care even though most of us are hobbyists and think they need more space and something different. The 1000's of cages behind the scenes were very clean. They have breed 10's of 1000's of all kinds of reptiles more than most and have a huge investment in rooms where they could stand to lose $500k+ in just one of their rooms. Jay is the kind of person that's more of a doer and not a thinker and yes he does sensationalize things a bit but I know the snakes are cared for.

    Ever seen a large breeder's setup and not see rubbermaids for cages? Even Mike's were the same. He cut his eggs 'early' and needed to be especially careful but didn't he say that even he gets curious and would cut them when he is really really dying to know and would risk cutting into the eggs that are on the bottom just to see what's inside. And Mike did cut some blood vessels at the 3:21 mark "just to see what's inside". "It's not real dangerous to do that, if you do that it's not going to be the end of the world" Thanks Mike for showing us what a real breeder does.... same as Prehistoric Pets. And at time 5:00 the snakes are basically going to mutilate that egg and you don't have to nearly as careful. Um, that's when Jay at Prehistoric Pets cut his.

    These guys know what the risks are after all these years and know pretty well what will happen good or bad when they do things. Why all the whining? Enjoy what you have.

    I've seen the way Jay houses his snakes and I can assure you guys that the snake was in there for probably no more than a few hours, if that.
  • 07-02-2012, 04:22 PM
    The-Jame
    Re: Perhistoric Pets
    Really sad to see animals like that, I can understand if maybe your trying to breed two BP's or something of a similar size but that retic is WAY too big for that tub, I'm not an expert and they could have reasons for why it was in there at that point but if that is its regular care then I'd never consider buying/selling/trading or anything with them.
  • 07-03-2012, 03:34 AM
    Charlie Smith
    Re: Perhistoric Pets
    Since noone actually really knows the truth about that tube and the retic in that tube it all a guess. Believe me, they have the space to house that snake in a bigger cage and Tim may have planted it there earlier to have one to show of a larger size. Who knows, nobody.

    The good thing this good conversation has brought out is many people here wouldn't treat their pets this way or see something that may seem wrong and not do the same. That is comforting..... I've seen some terrible breeders at shows do some terrible things with there reptiles to sell. One person I thought might not care as much about his snakes was Kerry King. I was admirably pleased and couldn't help talking with him about it when I saw him so delicately picking up the babies he was selling and putting them in their transport bags to bring them home because the show was over. Noone has more carpet pythons then him and he treats them with great handling care.

    I once read a story on how a redtail boa guy years ago didn't know how to get his redtails to breed. There was no caresheet or recipe for success for him. He needed to transport his two adults to a different house and put them both together in a box not much larger than both of them combined. If I remember right the atmosphere was wet and rainy season where ever he was and guess what, they mated. It was tight quarters, rainy, dark, a little colder probably than being in a snake cage and it resulted in some babies down the road.

    Jay pulling out that snake is like any one of us pulling out our snakes to handle them. It's just that ours aren't 275lbs. I disturbed half of my carpets to take them out for family to hold over the weekend and experience some pythons of various sizes, ages, colors and temperaments.

    In my tour of the Private 4 rooms we went into when I asked out of the blue Tim to get a tour, the cages were clean. They had things organized with female adult breeder retics 80+ of them on one side of the building and on a completely different side of the building were the males.

    I'm not at all saying Jay is a model snake keeper but he does have more experience than most of us here combined. If sticking his fingers in a $20,000 snake egg is going to hurt it and ruin that investment he's not that stupid to do it, really he isn't.

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    I don't know why I am even spending so much time on this.... it just seemed like a witch hunt.
  • 08-06-2012, 01:34 AM
    nickysaur
    wowwww
    i think if thats at preistoric pets then its prolly in there for a good reason.
    they are very good at what they do.
    i do agree that is way small but i think theres reason
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