Has desert female breeding got anywhere?

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Lair of Dragons

Not trying to corner the market...never said I was going to be first and never planned to do so....just want to be on the ground floor when someone else figures it out....it will be solved...if not already....I would just like the heads up if anyone hears of any breeders dumping Desert females in the 400 to 900 gram range....not interested in babies or adults because I want a year or two to set them up right.
I just have a very very hard time accepting that because a female has a morph gene it makes her infertile...
Travis
Lair of Dragons

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Just thought I'd point out there are several morph genes already known can can result in the animal dying - infertile is far from impossible.

Find MAballs videos on youtube with NERD where they discuss lethal combos - it's a two parter.


dr del

Slim,
Dont have any plans to be the first but I do plan on having them when it is published...aint worried about making the money...make that at work...and I dont need to pound my chest to the world...been in reptiles for over 25 years and the only thing I have ever done that hasnt been done before is produce Hypo Translucent x Hypo Translucent Dragons that everyone told me it cant be done..the babies die....well they dont...that info is not posted on my site....never talked about it till now....anything is possible...
I know of some very large players in the BP market that are searching for Desert Females as well...just following their leads....and absorbing the info they are willing to pass to me.
Travis
Lair of Dragons

Do your thing, Brother!

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Just thought I'd point out there are several morph genes already known can can result in the animal dying - infertile is far from impossible.

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Yes there are lethal genes...seen both videos....dont cross those genes because of the results he posted....but those are cross morphs....not single gene morphs producing lethal genes....they produces fertile eggs but died after birth...not one that they discuss is infertile...
Travis
Lair of Dragons

Say a morph doesn't produce some hormone that in necessary both to make the ball a normal color and for a critical stage in female reproduction. Maybe you could work around it with weekly shots.

Pearl is a lethal non combo, spider might also be homozygous lethal. For all I know caramel females might be 90+% infertile.

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Originally Posted by Lair of Dragons

just want to be on the ground floor when someone else figures it out

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:confused: Aren't there a ton of Desert combos...I'd say the project is half way to the top floor.

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Originally Posted by Lair of Dragons

I just have a very very hard time accepting that because a female has a morph gene it makes her infertile...
Travis
Lair of Dragons

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Caramels have issues, spiders/womas have issues all in their singular forms...not too far fetched that it's very possible with Deserts. I would have a harder time accepting that Deserts are the only morph that should be bigger/older to breed, or that they would require a lower temp than the 90 degree hot spot every other morph seems to lay eggs on perfectly.

Yes there are a ton of Desert combos...but most are scared to buy because what are you going to do with those females....?...and what I mean when I say "ground floor" is when the market takes off, I want to have the Desert females ready to go. You watch what happens to the price of Deserts as soon as its posted "they do produce...and heres how you have to do it"

Hmmm....90 Degree hot spot....yea I think that will soon be a temp of the past...I dont run a single tub hot spot at that temp and havent had any problems getting eggs....and I know a lot of other BP breeders that do the same.
Considering that the aveage temp in Ghana is in the mid to high 80's year round and they spend most of the hot daytime hours underground...then why does everyone hit 90s as a hotspot...and the lows average high 70s year round.
Travis
Lair of Dragons

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Lair of Dragons

Yes there are a ton of Desert combos...but most are scared to buy because what are you going to do with those females....?...and what I mean when I say "ground floor" is when the market takes off, I want to have the Desert females ready to go. You watch what happens to the price of Deserts as soon as its posted "they do produce...and heres how you have to do it"

Hmmm....90 Degree hot spot....yea I think that will soon be a temp of the past...I dont run a single tub hot spot at that temp and havent had any problems getting eggs....and I know a lot of other BP breeders that do the same.
Considering that the aveage temp in Ghana is in the mid to high 80's year round and they spend most of the hot daytime hours underground...then why does everyone hit 90s as a hotspot...and the lows average high 70s year round.
Travis
Lair of Dragons

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Yes people use different temps to keep their BP's - VPI being one of the main ones I can recall.

But people have suggested the same fixes for every single genetic problem for years upon years, Higher/lower temps, higher/lower humidity bigger females/ grown slower.

They have never, ever even helped with any of the problems and, frankly, are only suggested because those are the only things we can change - not because they make a great deal of sense as a solution to the problems.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/desert07_1.htm

Is worth a read for one persons experiences with deserts and temps.

I'd quite like to see what happens if someone crosses deserts into the sub saharan giants in terms of their growth rate etc. But I can't afford deserts at the moment in terms of gambling. You plainly feel you can so good luck with it and keep us posted.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Lair of Dragons

I just have a very very hard time accepting that because a female has a morph gene it makes her infertile...

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then you may want to do some more research on genetics.

Not all morphs are beneficial. Some of them cause the long term extinction of that animal type. Not saying the Desert morph would wipe out Bps in the wild, but chances are the Desert gene would not last long (in the scheme of things) in the wild.