Watching him die :(

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What cant people understand ITS NOT THEFT. You are seizing an animal as a concerned Citizen which is legal. Ive dont it MANY MANY times. 9 times out of 10 the owners dont even care or glad you taken it.

There will be no charges of theft ever brought up for an animal you taken thats neglected on deaths door.

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the law is clear taking something that is not yours is theft.
walking into someones house and taking something that belongs to them is Theft. ( a cd, dvd, cat, dog or their car. just the charges will vary ) not saying she would report you but she very well could and you dont want or need that

not trying to make a fight here, the best thing to do in my opinion is offer to help. if she refuses then attempt to get proper authorities involved.

just because we view it as cruelty and injustice doesnt mean that animal control will view it the same. i have a bp that is 2 yrs old i rescued her (when i got her she weighed 150 grams) now she is barely 200 grams if animal control saw that would my bp be taken? could she be?

so my whole rant is dont do anything that can or will potentially get you in trouble with the law...

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Originally Posted by Reptilecam

I dont want to be the downer here but I have to say thats why you dont give living animals as presents. Unless they are well aware of the care of them and you make sure they will take care of them.

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Anyone who has the passion to care for a specific animal will seek it out on their own. Bear in mind that when you give an animal as a gift you are also burdening the potential owner with time and financial burdens that they likely would have taken on by them self if they had real interest.

You mentioned that the cage has no top.

Take the snake, let her believe it got lost. She won't be hurt over the loss and you don't have to risk your friendship to make sure the snake's welfare is #1. Your friend will probably be pleased to not have to 'deal with it' anymore. Everyone wins. They call it a white lie for a reason...

EDIT: then she can reflect on how poor of a pet owner she was and hopefully not make the same mistakes again

We don't see taking the snake as theft. But authorities won't see it that way.
Whether or not it is right or wrong morally, the law still states that taking the snake would be stealing.

So unless you get a warrant or some legal document to give you safe passage, I wouldn't steal the snake.... Speak to a reptile rescue. Perhaps they can pull some legal strings for you.
As someone else has stated, stealing the snake may bite you in the but later on...Just be cautious of the consequences of stealing.
What if your friend finds out and contacts the authorities? The chances are that they order you give the snake back. And at the point, your friend may never listen or let you near the snake again....

In the mean time, if your friend is being stubborn about the snake, donate some temporary supplies or money. Just work with her. Educate her. Tell her what she's doing is wrong.
Maybe she'll have an epiphany along the way..... Show her pictures of what a healthy snake is suppose to look at and compare it to her dying one. If she doesn't understand, show pictures of emaciated dogs. Tell her that is the dog equivalent of her snake since she apparently seems like a dog lover.

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Originally Posted by Rob_D

it is sad however



the law is clear taking something that is not yours is theft.
walking into someones house and taking something that belongs to them is Theft. ( a cd, dvd, cat, dog or their car. just the charges will vary ) not saying she would report you but she very well could and you dont want or need that

not trying to make a fight here, the best thing to do in my opinion is offer to help. if she refuses then attempt to get proper authorities involved.

just because we view it as cruelty and injustice doesnt mean that animal control will view it the same. i have a bp that is 2 yrs old i rescued her (when i got her she weighed 150 grams) now she is barely 200 grams if animal control saw that would my bp be taken? could she be?

so my whole rant is dont do anything that can or will potentially get you in trouble with the law...

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If the friend would not give up the snake, I would contact the proper authorities to have it removed. This person is incapable of properly caring for this animal, it is animal cruelty. While I didn't really mean that the OP should go physically take the snake but do it in the proper manner.

An update: she's bringing the snake to my place tonight and I'm babysitting him until he's a good weight and eating regularly. I'm putting him on a 3/4 feeding schedule of small fuzzies at the moment, and she's bringing his tank too which I told her I'd set up for her properly.

Quarantine question: how far away from my healthy snake should the new snake be? Same room different tank or different room altogether? I have a house but I have small kids so my quarantine options (quiet areas) are limited.

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A different room would be better than the same room, but do what you have to do. Keep all your hubandry tools seperate and use them for only one snake.

Good job on getting him out of there :gj:

Glad to hear you got the snake out safely and didn't have to involve the authorities to do it. Happy endings are always good.

Not sure how your house is laid out, but I've actually used a large closet (with lighting as needed) for quarantining reptiles before when I didn't have the extra rooms. It would also be nice, quiet, and dark for him/her to relax. Would also love to see pics as you get him/her fed up.

Excellent job!
Please keep us updated w/ the snake's progress

Well seems we got to him too late. Christie went home to pack him up to bring him over and he'd already passed.

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Oh no. :( At least he's not suffering anymore. Hopefully Christie will think twice next time before wanting an animal she actually doesn't care about. It's sad that you didn't even get the chance to try to save him, though