Thanks for clearing that up for me coldbloodaddict, in all honesty I'm not too worried about what line he is, I think he's a gorgeous snake all the same but obviously I'm going to be biased! Those are very nice looking pics though did you produce the animal yourself? Just out of curiosity to all who have replied to this thread do any of you know particular breeders who breed the different lines that I could get in touch with if I was looking to get a black pastel from a particular line?