worst bug eyes i've ever seen

The bug eye is a know problem with the butter x butter cross, or atleast I thought people knew about it. They act normal, eat normal, poop normal, shed normal. You can get normal looking BELs out of the clutches and have a bug eye in the same clutch, similar to super cinnys with the duck bill.

As for another comment the tail is fine, it is tucked under the substrate.

I think a good point was brought up. Are there any bug eyed adults?

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

I have seen bug eyes from lesser clutches where normals and lessers had the bug eyes.

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So, you're saying that some lesser pairings have produced bug-eyed normals? This DOES suggest a second, recessive gene is at work, which may be carried in lesser platinum lines.

Can anyone else who has done lesser X lesser or butter X butter pairings confirm that it's not just the BELs that have bug-eyes?

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I think a good point was brought up. Are there any bug eyed adults?

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The breeder of that specific animal replied in this post, hopefully he will tell us how it is doing now.

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Originally Posted by adamsky27

The breeder of that specific animal replied in this post, hopefully he will tell us how it is doing now.

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I am sure it is doing well. I was not asking if they make it to adult hood, rather do they grow in to the eyes and they are not noticeable as an adult.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I am sure it is doing well. I was not asking if they make it to adult hood, rather do they grow in to the eyes and they are not noticeable as an adult.

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That is exactly what I meant...

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

So, you're saying that some lesser pairings have produced bug-eyed normals? This DOES suggest a second, recessive gene is at work, which may be carried in lesser platinum lines.

Can anyone else who has done lesser X lesser or butter X butter pairings confirm that it's not just the BELs that have bug-eyes?

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While only one clutch so far all my hatchlings came out perfect.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

This snake is genetically Flawed and will pass on the bug eyes if bred. Why pay 1300$ for a genetically flawed morph when you can get perfect ones no flaws what so ever and breed it.


Regardless if its cute or not, It should not be at market value.

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Do you have proof to back this up? I'm pretty sure it's hit or miss with the bug eyes.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

While only one clutch so far all my hatchlings came out perfect.

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That's evidence too, of course--if it's an additional gene, then not all lessers will carry it, since they're often pretty well outcrossed.

The thing that's odd is how infrequently it's reported, other than in the BEL morphs. If it were a separate recessive gene, it should be showing up elsewhere, too, by now.

Unless it is a gene that only expresses when paired with the Lesser/Butter genes?

I believe there is an issue with this in Lucy Rat snakes as well?